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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2006 at 05:15
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Wikipedia:

"In 1973 Nakamichi created stereo cassette decks with such high quality that eventually made reel-to-reel tape recorders obsolete for consumers.
 
 
As CD did vinyl!!
 
Although the Nakamichi machines were arguably the best in their field the cassette was never more than the MP3 of its era; convenient, portable but definitely not hi-fi.
 
Good cassette decks made the hassle of reel to reel no longer necessary for home recording but anyone interested in reliable sound quality still used reel to reel. 


Edited by Heavyfreight - October 16 2006 at 05:16
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2006 at 04:58
Wow... I want a Sound Burger so bad! Not that I expect the audio quality to be very good, but it would be an awesome thing to have...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2006 at 15:17
Back in the second half of the 1960s we used to have a miniature portable record player at home that was even smaller than the Sound Burger (see first three photos below) released in later years (in the 1980s, I believe). It was a clamshell design but opened differently to the Sound Burger, enabling it to be more compact. It looked more like the AIWA micro portable record player shown in last three photos below. Now these record players were 'lo-fi'. Sounded OK, though.


Sound Burger promo:


Sound Burger showing storage position of the arm, and the folding lid.


Sound Burger playing an LP:


AIWA micro-portable playing a single:


AIWA micro-portable playing an LP:


AIWA micro-portable compared to an LP:



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2006 at 06:55
^ so what the article is essentially saying is that they made a tape deck which made reel-to-reel tape recorders obsolete. But it's still a tape deck, which means: lo-fi in terms of reliability, durability, copying etc.. But of course back in 1973 there were no alternatives.

and: still the gold had nothing to do with it.Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2006 at 06:11
Wikipedia:

"In 1973 Nakamichi created stereo cassette decks with such high quality that eventually made reel-to-reel tape recorders obsolete for consumers. The Nakamichi 1000 and 700 were regarded as two of the finest cassette recorders made in the mid-1970s. They had three heads, dual capstan drive that reduced wow and flutter to new low levels, and Dolby-B noise reduction to improve the signal to noise ratio. The feature that really set them apart was the adjustable record head azimuth and Dolby calibration that could be optimized for each cassette tape. Many audiophiles aspired to but could not afford a Nakamichi 1000 or 700 (whose model number was derived from the list price), so Nakamichi came out with more economical two-head models such as the Nakamichi 500 and the silver wedge-shaped 600.

Nakamichi pushed live recording with their Nakamichi 550, a portable cassette recorder that had three microphone inputs: one for left channel, one for right channel, and one for a center blend channel. This recorder could run from batteries or AC and was used to make very high quality recordings in the field. All of these products were known for top-notch engineering and sound quality.

In the late 1970s Nakamichi updated their machines with the Nakamichi 1000 II, the 700 II, and other midrange and low-end models, but overall they became more complex and less reliable, and prices were raised as well. They branched out into other audio components such as amplifiers and eventually speakers, but these products were never as highly regarded by the audio community as their cassette decks were.

In the early 1980s Nakamichi came out with further refinements in a successor top-of-the-line machine, the Nakamichi 1000ZXL. Prices pushed upward again, with this machine being $3,800 at the time. The updated 700ZXL was a mere $3,000. Low-end cassette decks sold new for under $200, with the Nakamichi name on them. This time period stands as the pinnacle for cassette recorders, as from that time onwards digital recording methods began to make inroads."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2006 at 06:07

I've got the black one, but it's not the improved version by Mr Nakamichi!


    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2006 at 05:39
Gold improves sound ... a simple rule for simple minds!Wink

Seriously, I think the designers of these devices watched Goldfinger one time too often!LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2006 at 05:08
    
The best tapedeck ever (1982/83), the Nakas made reel to reel devices obsolete.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2006 at 03:40
There is a huge difference between lo-fi sounds and vintage sounds.
 
Often times, early 70's/60s "lo fi" is just the gear working the way it did.
 
I'll let you in on a little secret though; to get the sound of the 70's you need three things
 
 
1) A multitrack tape machine made before 1980
2) A recording console made before 1980
3) A reel of tape made before 1980
 
 
 
This is a 1/2" reel of 3M 203. It was made in the early 70's. I was lucky to buy it sealed! Best $40 bucks ever!
 
 
And vintage instruments help...Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2006 at 14:32

Of course if the master used is poor, the result can't be good, whatever the format.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2006 at 11:50
I can quote many more, that was just an example.  An awful lot of rock vinyls sound awful as well.  Take most of the seventies Blue Oyster Cult recordings; they all seem to have been recorded through a wet sock.  Must have been using some worn out old 8 track tape.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2006 at 11:39
About 90% of rock Cds are atrocely trafficked as you said...but among the 10% left, no one can compete with the original vynil...here's the sad truth.

    You can only quote one single with a good sound.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2006 at 11:19
I'm not sure that "all" of them do.  I expect that the producer puts far too much compression and low frequency and high frequency emphasis on to make them sound louder.  You know how rock musicians like everything turned to 11.  It might work ok with your instrument amp but never with the PA or mixing desk.
 
Listen to the CD single of "You Could Be Mine" by GnR and you'll hear a very clear sharp rock sound.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2006 at 11:17
Many years ago (1966) Dad bought us a Pam record player with a Garrard autochanger  deck, similar to a Dansette except more expensive - it was tremendously exciting at the time, i used to rush home from school and on went my "All you need is love" and "Strawberry Fields" singles. I heard all my first important music on this, including "Sgt.Pepper", but eventually the lure of stereo technology consigned our old friend to the attic, where it remained until a few years ago - i rediscovered my little gem from yesteryear, had her professionally restored, and now regularly  play all my old singles on it again....which sound just like they used to, of course! Thumbs Up
 
 
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2006 at 11:14

As a sound engineer, you can maybe explain me why all "rock" Cds sound so bad?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2006 at 11:14

Or alternatively

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2006 at 11:06
Well vinyl sits well in this thread.
 

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Edited by Heavyfreight - October 13 2006 at 11:14
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2006 at 11:03
Change for vinyl? OK   

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2006 at 10:48
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

"Your brain adapts to the sound and fills in the gaps for you"
Yes, but you can end up with a headache. That's the case with (poor) digital.

"You don't need perfect audio to appreciate music."
Yes, fortunatly, cause there's always better. High fidelity has virtually no limit.
 
Change the record pleaseDead  We've heard it all before.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2006 at 06:27
I love the sound of Lo-fi. It just sounds *great* with certain songs.
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