India and Christianity

Please Maani, Anglicans uphold The Catholic Apostolic faith ( http://www.cofe.anglican.org/faith/anglican/ ), Anglicans and accept the Nicen Creed (the same page), what else can you ask?

All Saints' is a community of ordinary people who, since 1861, have worshipped God the Father through his Son Jesus, in the power of the Holy Spirit, and have lived out the Christian life in a rich Anglican Catholic tradition.

Iván

I seem to remember challenging Maani about his faith.

Really ?

Come off it, that's plainly a ridiculous reply! What are you on?

I dont have co-workers, I have employees.

I wonder if they think so?

Yes, they do.It is in their job description.Another bizaare reply. Yes, we work as a Team,but we dont live in this imaginary world where "there's not really a boss-we just get on with it"!

My wife chooses not to contribute to "forums" so you have no idea what she is like.
If I had a £ for every one that presumes I must be under my wife's thumb I'd be able to buy one of Cert's "first pressings"

Then evidently where there's smoke......there is usually someone lighting a fire.

As a female and mother, you must know that the only woman who has me under the thumb is my daughter!  Yes I'm sure my father felt that way too.. as my mother was holding him up...

I've absolutely no idea what that means, and it just sounds silly and irrelevant.

I like the idea that you think you are the only female on the internet. You arent even the only female on this forum! Mind you since they brought in the anti-bullying legislation for the workplace I can no longer torture those lovely lassies that depend on my leadership for their living.

Not even sure what all that means.

err, you referred to yourself as "that internet woman"-try and concentrate please.

.. unless thats another knock against women... I know for certain I'm not the only woman on the internet or this forum... but I also know that many of the women who have come here have left due to the meanderings of narcissistic egos such as yours...but not because of me, so what's your point?I believe we are all equal, I believe anyone is fair game man or woman-to act otherwise would be patronising.

You are now making a common mistake around here-speaking for others without their consent.Dont presume other women on this forum feel any empathy with you.It is seems evident from their posts that they do not!

threefates:

First, you are correct in pointing out that I have engaged in sarcasm.  Mt frustration got the better of me, and expressed itself in sarcasm.  For that I apologize.  Sarcasm is never a Christian quality.

As for being "scornful" or "judgmental," there is a difference between "judgment" and "rebuke."  I have not "judged" you in any way.  Only Christ can do that.  But I have been rebuking you, as I am called to do, both as a Christian and as a minister.  Indeed, I have been doing exactly as Scripture says: "Preach the word!...Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching."  (2 Tim. 4:2)  And boy have I been "longsuffering!"

Maani, making comments such as these is not rebuking... thats just judgemental.. if you want to rebuke me.. then just slap me on the hand and say "Bad girl"...

• As you are a self-proclaimed "Christian," this is a serious matter.
• I believe, based on your comments, that, at a very minimum, your walk has been "corrupted" somehow.
•  ..have you not all but inferred that you are that "perfect Christian," since you apparently have nothing to learn from anyone?

Also, as for whether Jesus would be less "sarcastic, judgmental and controlling" in His teaching, Jesus did get quite frustrated by people, including His own disciples:

"O faithless and perverse generation!  How long shall I be with you?  How long shall I suffer you?"  (Matt 17:17)  Not exactly kind words.

"And He said to them, 'Do you not understand this parable?  How then will you understand all the parables?'"  (Mark 4:13)

Well you've lived a few years as a human... don't you understand and sympathize...??  

Peace.

threefates:

You said: "Oh an apology is supposed to negate the fact that you did that."

Scorn?  Sarcasm?  How very Christian of you!  Ever heard of something called "forgiveness?"  Ever read the following?:

Thats funny coming from you.  Sarcasm and scorn has been noted in most of your past messages to me... Isn't this sort of like you telling me... "judge, lest you be judged... or "Take the log out of your own eye, then you can take the mote out of"

"Then Peter came to Him and said, 'Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him?  Up to seven times?'  Jesus said to him, 'I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven." (Matt. 18:21-22).

Forgiveness was not the issue and I didn't say I didn't forgive him... He asked me for a comment where he did something... and I gave it to him... by you now throwing that back at me with a inaccurate accusation... how "Christian" is that Maani?

The more you say, the further down your throat your foot goes, and the more you prove you do not have the slightest concept of what being a Christian is really about.

Actually you've proven to me the same about you.  Which is sort of disappointing.  I've also seen how quickly you are to assume and accuse, that your extremely judgemental and lack sympathy.. I'm actually very disappointed with you.  If I was at all unconfident in my beliefs, I would of high tailed it towards the humanist side by now.. just from these messages with you 

threefates:

Reed Lover said: "That is the point Maani is making, you ass! He is saying that you appear more extreme than me yet technically you and Maani are on the "same side." You just do not get it do you?"  You responded: "Maybe because thats not what Maani was saying... You should read that again..."  For the record, Reed Lover is correct; that is exactly what I was saying.

If that is indeed the case.. then the only reason you feel that way is because I'm a bigger threat to you than Reed. I'm like Nadar is to Democrats... where Reed is a republican... and takes republican votes.. I'm the Nadar who lessens your side without helping his.... or... its very easy for one extreme to battle the other because its easy to see where you stand.. but its very hard for both to take on the middle...cause neither have a clue.

In responding to Reed Lover's claim that he does not cherry-pick people's comments, you say to Reed Lover, "Actually that is probably the most ludicris answer you've given so far. First off, I didn't accuse you of doing that, but you do cherry pick people's comments and you are quite defensive (proof here) and you do evade those questions you can not answer with wise ass remarks or attacks against those you can't respond to."

If there has ever been a perfect example of "Judge not, lest ye be judged in equal measure" and "Take the log out of your own eye, then you can take the mote out of" someone else's, this has to be it.  You cherry-pick comments more than anyone else in this discussion; you have done it with me continuously.  Yet rather than consider your own "cherry-picking," you attack the other person for cherry-picking!  And you think this is "Christian?"  In addition, re your comment that "you do evade the questions you cannot answer with wise ass remarks" - you mean unlike you, who simply evades "the questions you cannot answer"...by simply not answering them?  One can at least respond to a wise-ass remark.  One cannot respond to total evasion.

Actually this is quite entertaining... first I didn't judge him, he accused me of saying something about him I didn't... then I just responded to his remark...Second , so if I don't answer something because I don't think I can add anything relevant to that topic...or I skip over it while responding.... then that is evading or cherry picking ..  You'd rather me do the man thing.. and come back with a statement like Reeds such as "Shut up bitch and go make me a sandwich"....  Yes, I see the logic and entertainment value of that now...

Also, you said, "See to me faith is something that has to be based from your heart, not from what you've read or studied... See you take that all in, along with experience and then you form your own opinion... and thats what I'm giving you.  I don't need to quote scripture.... or someone else's opinions, or experience or their biasness... I base it off my heart.. and to me thats less hypocritical than you spouting scripture at me.  I've heard so many ministers over the years give me their take on what the scriptures say... and hardly any of them saw it the same way.  I don't quote the scriptures anymore to prove a point... I find it pretentious..."

Once again, you simply prove that you do not "listen"; you simply presume what is being said.

Your right.. I did not listen... I read!

First, why is it hypocritical for me to "spout Scripture" at you?  Do you even know the meaning of the word "hypocrite?"  It would be hypocritical to spout Scripture if I, myself, were not "walking the talk" and "practicing what I preach."  However, since I do both (to the best of my ability as a human being, a Christian and a minister), it is not "hypocritical" to "spout Scripture."  Ah, but it is when you spout Scripture as a means to prove a point.  Anyone can take Scripture out of context to prove any point they possibly need to make. And because I've already made you aware of how I feel about things... and see this statement you just made...

"Do you even know the meaning of the word "hypocrite?"

That is a sarcastic remark... Several of which you have made in responses to me. Thats what makes it hypocritical....

Second, of course faith comes from the heart (and mind, and spirit).  But this does not mean one cannot learn from others, to say nothing of learning from Scripture - since it is, after all, the foundation of Christian belief.  You are simply proving that you are willfully and obstinately unteachable (whether by me or anyone else).  In this regard, it is clear that if Jesus Himself came to you - in disguise - and told you that you were wrong, you would refute him, too.

Lets turn this around a bit then... If Christ came to you in disguise and told you that you've been led down the wrong path all this time... would you refute him also??

Second, I have to believe that Christ in his infinite wisdom would somehow be a little less sarcastic, judgmental and controlling in his manner of teaching... I'd also bet he walks with a power that neither you or I could probably resist.

My faith comes from the highest possible place, and is unshakeable.  However, that does not mean I cannot (and do not) continue to learn, to fine tune, to make new realizations via what I hear (sermons, fellowship with others, and even from non-believers) and read (including books, treatises, publications, etc.).  I am constantly trying to "better myself" as a Christian.  On the other hand, you seem to believe that you are a "finished product," and have nothing to learn, no need to modify or change.

See thats you making assumptions and being judgemental again based on my unacceptance of your way.  Just because I don't follow your "born-again" philosphy on Christianity does not mean that I don't continue to learn or grow in my faith.  I've found a church fellowship that I'm comfortable in, that I've raised my son in.. as a gay child growing into manhood.  And I thank God for putting me in a church community where neither he nor I had to feel uncomfortable about ourselves.  Where would your church be on the stance of homosexuality?  I wonder....

You said "show me a perfect Christian...," and suggested that "you would not lose the bet" because no one would be able to.  Yet, unless I am very much mistaken - and others can feel free to comment on this - have you not all but inferred that you are that "perfect Christian," since you apparently have nothing to learn from anyone?

More sarcasm and inaccurate assumptions.  If I had thought that, then he could of found the perfect Christian easily... right in front of him.. and I would of lost the bet.  Actually I don't even find the logic in that assumption of yours...

Peace.