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Melomaniac View Drop Down

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Posted: September 28 2006 at 15:23

Progressionist here... why can't we vote though ?

"One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio

Padraic

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Posted: September 28 2006 at 15:21

I don't know what to vote for, but that's OK because the site isn't letting me vote! Confused

Philéas

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Posted: September 28 2006 at 14:31

I view myself as a so-called Abstract Inclusionist. However, I think that people who view themselves as such in reality often are one of the other "kinds" (in lack of a better word), depending on their definition of Progressive Music.

Edited by Philéas - September 28 2006 at 14:32

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Posted: September 28 2006 at 08:33

MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ any John Zorn fan should seriously check out Ornette Coleman! Clap

I was waiting for that one!!Then we can add Moondog and Terry Riley.

Zorn's inclusion on the Archives must be baffling to a few "conventional prog rock" in the conservative sense). Some of Philippe's inclusions must seem that way too.

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Posted: September 28 2006 at 08:22

^ any John Zorn fan should seriously check out Ornette Coleman! Clap

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Bilek

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Posted: September 28 2006 at 08:16

Sean Trane wrote:

I think that by including Ornette Coleman (free jazz) I was encompassing most of jazz's exploratiry forms.

Santana is only a matter of weeks, I am preparing it

I had no idea of Ornette Coleman

... Is his discography larger than that of Hancock & Davis et al.???

Great news about Santana!!!! I'm sure there will be a great controversy again! (Though not as great as that went around Queen

)

Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)

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Posted: September 28 2006 at 08:07

Bilek wrote:

Sean Trane wrote:

the last two are probably the better solution but both sorts can be a bit too wide-scoped:-Your inclusionist idea is probably whet PA is because of prog-related and proto-prog, but remains rock

-your all inclusive progressive music is the most frightening one because, we'dhave to include Edgar Varese, Ornette Coleman, Philip Glass etc...

and don't forget all that stuff from Miles Davis, Herbie Hancock, and even Pharoah Sanders, John Coltrane et al.

Also Santana might be included (which, IMHO, just because of Caravansarai should be) in that case.

as far as I see, I seem to be the only one to categorize himself as inclusionist... that is for a web site type, of course... in listening I'm a strict purist (sticking on to the seventies, along with other related genres of Rock, such as psychedelia and early heavy rock...)

I think that by including Ornette Coleman (free jazz) I was encompassing most of jazz's exploratiry forms.

Santana is only a matter of weeks, I am preparing it

let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword

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Posted: September 28 2006 at 07:49

Sean Trane wrote:

the last two are probably the better solution but both sorts can be a bit too wide-scoped:-Your inclusionist idea is probably whet PA is because of prog-related and proto-prog, but remains rock

-your all inclusive progressive music is the most frightening one because, we'dhave to include Edgar Varese, Ornette Coleman, Philip Glass etc...

and don't forget all that stuff from Miles Davis, Herbie Hancock, and even Pharoah Sanders, John Coltrane et al.

Also Santana might be included (which, IMHO, just because of Caravansarai should be) in that case.

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Posted: September 28 2006 at 07:29

^ you have a point there - the archives are "inclusionist" because of the prog related/proto prog genres. But then again these bands and albums are "singled out" and clearly marked non-prog, so these bands are kind of included and rejected at the same time.

As for my own website: In the end it will be all these websites combined in one - you'll be able to filter out genres, prog related bands and ultimately any other criteria (it's all just tags) and even time periods.

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Posted: September 28 2006 at 07:18

Although my center of interest would be the first two options, I'd feel quite limited because of the time frame (especially in regards with the 60's, but also the 90's).

The next two would actually please me even less for some odd reason.

the last two are probably the better solution but both sorts can be a bit too wide-scoped:-Your inclusionist idea is probably whet PA is because of prog-related and proto-prog, but remains rock

-your all inclusive progressive music is the most frightening one because, we'dhave to include Edgar Varese, Ornette Coleman, Philip Glass etc...

let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword

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Posted: September 28 2006 at 07:04

^ My own website would be an example of an "Abstract Progressionist" website ... any kind of music can be reviewed & rated there (even non-prog, but you can filter it out).

The archives are an obvious example of a "Standardist" website - with a few exceptions (which venture into "Inclusionist" territory).

I suppose the other types are purely theoretical ... but from the various discussions I gather that maybe people exist who would love these alternatives.

Edited by MikeEnRegalia - September 28 2006 at 07:11

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Posted: September 28 2006 at 06:50

Mike, is this purely theoretical or have actual examples of these sites?

let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword

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Posted: September 28 2006 at 06:45

I'm an Abstract Progressionist, whatever it may mean.. Hopefully it's not an insult! Wink

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Posted: September 28 2006 at 06:42

^ I was struggling for the right word ... by "Standardist" I mean persons who would only call a band "prog" if there is an historic basis for doing so (e.g. the band has been called prog for like a decade). Nothing wrong with that - and I'm one myself! But I voted "Progressionist" because there are many bands which I wouldn't call "prog", but nevertheless would like to see them together with the prog bands.

Edited by MikeEnRegalia - September 28 2006 at 06:44

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Posted: September 28 2006 at 06:39

Looks like I am a "standardist"...w/o metal....

Edited by Tony R - September 28 2006 at 07:06

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Posted: September 28 2006 at 06:36

Now that's a weird poll for a change! Wink

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Poll Question: What's your favorite type of prog website (content wise)?
Poll Choice	Votes	Poll Statistics
70s Prog Rock and similar bands (Genre Purist)	13	[16.88%]
70s Prog Rock + related bands from the 70s (Temporal Purist)	7	[9.09%]
Prog Rock + Neo Prog (Standardist w/o Metal)	5	[6.49%]
Prog Rock + Neo Prog + Prog Metal (Standardist)	8	[10.39%]
Prog + Progressive Music loosely based on Rock (Inclusionist	4	[5.19%]
All Progressive Music (abstract Progressionist ;-))	37	[48.05%]
other	3	[3.90%]
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