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Prog Reviewer
Joined: March 08 2005
Location: Finland
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Points: 2383
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Posted: October 25 2005 at 14:29 |
So called 'scientifical agnostic'
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Ed_The_Dead
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Joined: April 29 2005
Location: Poland
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Points: 4928
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Posted: October 25 2005 at 14:24 |
Bj-1 wrote:
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TheProgtologist
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Joined: May 23 2005
Location: Baltimore,Md US
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Points: 27802
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Posted: October 25 2005 at 14:15 |
Protestant/Christian
I am very surprised how many athiest/agnostics there are
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krusty
Forum Senior Member
Joined: September 27 2005
Location: United Kingdom
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Points: 1777
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Posted: October 25 2005 at 14:05 |
Atheist/Agnostic/Humanist
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Bj-1
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Location: No(r)Way
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Posted: October 25 2005 at 13:38 |
Atheist!
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
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Posted: June 11 2005 at 16:39 |
Jesus could sell a lot of prog albums- One man band baby!!!
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dalt99
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Joined: April 23 2005
Location: United States
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Points: 454
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Posted: May 26 2005 at 01:08 |
James Lee wrote:
"I believe in god as a concept created by mankind (or possibly by animals, plants or bacteria...it's impossible to say with certainty that another kind of life doesn't have a sort of spirituality). Do animals see us as a kind of god? That's how I interpret most of the classic portrayals...human beings as a victim of His condescending 'love' and thoughtless slaughter.
I do not believe in God as a conscious entity, omniscient and omnipotent...if I did, I would be forced to align with His enemy due to the pain and suffering He has knowingly caused. Whoever came up with the ultimate rationalization "God works in mysterious ways" should be remembered as one of mankind's most successful apologists.
Such a being, responsible for the deaths of everyone we have ever known and cared about, deserves one of two faiths: the faith that such a monster could not exist in the real world, or the faith that we are all doomed to be flaccid puppets in a baffling performance that we can never comprehend, let alone enjoy. I chose the former.
Every bit of faith you give to this supposed deity is quisling loyalty to the murderer of your parents and your children. I do not believe mainly because I have no wish to dedicate my life to revenge."
James, God does not murder, if he did He would be breaking His own law. God gave us the ability to decide for ourselves our own paths. He gave us freedom and FREE WILL to do as we wish. We have the conscious knowledge of what is right and wrong but many CHOOSE to do wrong like murder (not talking about war or self defense here). We can also choose to accept who He is or not. It's all OUR OWN choice.
We have never been puppets of God but of man.
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Litl
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Joined: April 09 2005
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 12:30 |
Old saying, or maybe a new one:
&nbs p;
Religious people are afraid of hell
&nbs p;
Spiritual people have been there
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Valarius
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 08 2005
Location: Germany
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Points: 1480
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 05:02 |
Christian.
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spectral
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Joined: May 04 2005
Location: Vatican City State
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Points: 1422
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 18:36 |
nietzsche also married a horse didn't he, he certainly proposed to one in Munich...that's religion for ya!
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"...misty halos made visible by the spectral illumination of moonshine."
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maddog
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Joined: December 23 2004
Location: Greece
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Points: 26
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 18:03 |
GOD IS DEAD
I AND YOU HAVE KILLED HIM
Friedrich Nietzche
....or maybe he never existed in the first place,anyway,thanks Friedrich
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Vielleicht irrte sich der general-general-general
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James Lee
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 13:48 |
LOL, I doubt very much that anyone here is going to be able to prove or disprove god's existence, since the actual definition of 'atheist' seems a bit of a slippery concept for some to grasp...even after it has been specifically stated and re-stated.
How about this logic: I don't believe in a god for the same reason I don't believe in aliens or ghosts...because their existence would make life fun and interesting, and all evidence thus far has indicated that this is not the case.
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Velvetclown
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Joined: February 13 2004
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Points: 8548
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 09:51 |
I wish there were a knob on the TV to turn up the intelligence? There's one marked "Brightness," but it doesn't work
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tuxon
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Joined: September 21 2004
Location: plugged-in
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Points: 5502
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Posted: May 15 2005 at 01:00 |
Quote Barbarian
Athiest pig for me
As opposed to my Religious Sheep
Atheists. I hope they rot in Hell. Hey they don't worry about it! --
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WHEN YOU DIE, YOU'RE GOING TO HELL, AND ARE GOING TO PERMANENTLY SUFFER DOWN
THERE. AND I'LL BE LAUGHING AT ALL THE ATHEIST BASTARDS IN THIS ECHO, WHEN I'M
UP IN HEAVEN. - Christopher Calabrese
For sure Christopher Calabrese ain't going to heaven
I'm a Christian without a God, I try to follow the teachings of Jesus
to the best of my knowledge, without believing in a God, I just believe
that there is value in what he tought
Love your neighbour, like you want to be loved yourself
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I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT
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Barbarian
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Joined: May 14 2005
Location: United Kingdom
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Points: 42
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Posted: May 14 2005 at 21:02 |
Athiest pig for me
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Tony R
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Joined: July 16 2004
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Points: 11979
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Posted: May 14 2005 at 19:07 |
So did Pegusus The Winged Horse exist?
I will tell you it did not.
Why does the obvious need empirical proof? Yes I know it is only obvious to atheists.Why we need empirical proof to deny what is obviously() man-made is irritating to me!
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maani
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Joined: January 30 2004
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Points: 2632
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Posted: May 14 2005 at 18:53 |
Tony:
True - I cannot prove that the bogey-man does not exist. But under what rubric can you make the definitive statement that "I will tell you he doesn't." Based on what empirical evidence? After all, you are a rationalist, so you must believe in the "scientific method," which requires empirical "proof" - or, at a bare minimum, supporting data - in order to make declarative statements of theory, much less fact.
It is this "absolute certainty" in your "atheist" arguments that leaves your positions open to "attack" - both rational and faith-based.
Peace.
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Tony R
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Posted: May 14 2005 at 18:28 |
maani wrote:
Tony R:
You say, "I do not walk around wearing a mental badge saying "I do not believe in God", it would be as pointless to me as having to declare that "Peter Gabriel is not a member of Led Zepellin" or "Geddy Lee is a member of Rush."
However, following on Sweetnighter's position that "one is a statement of fact. the other is a statement of opinion," you can prove that Peter Gabriel is not and never was a member of Led Zeppelin, and that Geddy Lee is and has been a member of Rush. You cannot prove that God does not exist.
I offer this not from any spirituo-religious standpoint, but from a completely rational, empirical perspective vis-a-vis philosophical intellectualism.
Peace.
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You cannot prove that the bogey-man doesnt exist either..........
But I will tell you he doesnt.
If the conviction of men is the only thing you need to have proof of existance then I'm off to swim with the mermaids.................
Edited by Tony R
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goose
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Joined: June 20 2004
Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: May 13 2005 at 13:46 |
Sweetnighter wrote:
I don't believe any higher powers exist, so I consider myself an atheist.
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Atheism isn't a simple lack of belief, it's a disbelief. I think you said elsewhere in the post (which I deleted in the quotation, whoops) that you believe that there is no God, so from that statement you probably are an atheist, but true atheism doesn't come just from not believing. Just thought I'd clear up/confuse matters a bit.
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maani
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Joined: January 30 2004
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Posted: May 13 2005 at 11:20 |
Tony R:
You say, "I do not walk around wearing a mental badge saying "I do not believe in God", it would be as pointless to me as having to declare that "Peter Gabriel is not a member of Led Zepellin" or "Geddy Lee is a member of Rush."
However, following on Sweetnighter's position that "one is a statement of fact. the other is a statement of opinion," you can prove that Peter Gabriel is not and never was a member of Led Zeppelin, and that Geddy Lee is and has been a member of Rush. You cannot prove that God does not exist.
I offer this not from any spirituo-religious standpoint, but from a completely rational, empirical perspective vis-a-vis philosophical intellectualism.
Peace.
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