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Eetu Pellonpaa ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 17 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 4828 |
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I wouldn't mind seeing Jimi Hendrix and also Cream in proto prog, as they both developed psychedelia, and thus evolved the birth of progressive rock.
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S Lang ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 01 2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 441 |
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I'd see nothing wrong with that, but please drop that offensive Proto crap... that was mainly designed for the inclusion of the Beatles. I will never agree with such humiliating description to a number of other leading artists.
Hendrix was and is still Prog. Not Proto bullsh*t! Blues aside....
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S Lang ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 01 2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 441 |
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So does "Band of Gypsies"!
![]() Including Hendrix is "make, or brake" for the Archives reputation as a genuine Prog site - as opposed to a well designed website that promotes preferred Prog artists and Neo-Prog wannabees.
Not forgetting that the much accepted Prog-Metal wouldn't exist without the inspiration Hendrix provided. Still, no-one has been able to successfully copy him, only coming close at times.
Not likely to be Proto in that sense..., but the real article to this day.
Think about it...
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Bilek ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 05 2005 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 1484 |
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Third!
(Se no habla Espanol; sorry ![]() Edited by Bilek - October 29 2006 at 16:10 |
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
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Bilek ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 05 2005 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 1484 |
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Hmm... could "Hey Joe", covered by the newly born Deep Purple be an evidence
![]() Apart from covers, Hendrix Experience was certainly a "psychedelic" band, and the effects of psychedelia over prog rock cannot be denied. I'd say "yes", to the extent that other bands are involved; so far Jefferson Airplane, Iron Butterfly and Beatles (despite all their poppines before '65) are here, so why not Jimi!?!? (also, why not for The Doors, The Who, Quicksilver Messenger Service, Grateful Dead, et al. either!)
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
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Philéas ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 14 2006 Status: Offline Points: 6419 |
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Actually, there have been many more official releases lately, such as rarities compilations and a couple of live discs, but there are still tons more rubbish out there, sadly. |
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Seyo ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 08 2004 Location: Bosnia Status: Offline Points: 1320 |
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I voted Yes, as proto-prog, but be aware:
If he is ever admitted in PA, chances are that the forum members and others would start adding enourmous number of compilations, live, semi-legal ottakes etc. Hendrix albums, while he officially released only five: (Are You Experienced, Axis:Bold as Love and Electric Ladyland with JHE trio, Band of Gypsys with the same trio and Cry of Love as solo).
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Philéas ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 14 2006 Status: Offline Points: 6419 |
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"I would say"
Well, obviously, he doesn't know what he's talking about. I won't accept that Jimi Hendrix was a big influence on Prog, until I have solid proof that he was. I have never heard enough Hendrix influence in any prog song to justify his inclusion on this site as Proto-Prog, so I'm wondering how this person can say that Hendrix started the Prog movement. I'm also curious how he can consider Hendrix more influential to prog than The Beatles. Edited by Philéas - August 16 2006 at 19:26 |
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Progressive?? ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: August 04 2006 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 93 |
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i took this from this page.
The development of Progressive Rock MusicThe development of Progressive Rock Music, a difficult task Late 60s and beginning of the 70s I would say it all began with psychedelic music, i.e. essentially Jimi Hendrix and earlier PINK FLOYD (all their stuff with Syd Barrett). Some people say that The BEATLES also had a contribution to the prog movement). Then came bands such as KING CRIMSON and YES at the end of the sixties...... i
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Cheesecakemouse ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 1751 |
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I need to find out more about Hendrix, I used to own his greatist hits but I don't think thats enough.
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Philéas ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 14 2006 Status: Offline Points: 6419 |
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No. Equally bad. |
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WaywardSon ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 23 2006 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 2537 |
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Maybe in the future we could have a rock/metal/blues genre?
Then we could accept Hendrix, Rainbow...OK...OK.....it will never happen ![]() Edited by WaywardSon - August 14 2006 at 19:18 |
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Atkingani ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: October 21 2005 Location: Terra Brasilis Status: Offline Points: 12288 |
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De acordo!
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Guigo
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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Better than all those vague folk, electronic, metal and progpop bands of the previous months ..
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Philéas ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 14 2006 Status: Offline Points: 6419 |
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Perhaps he was progressive as a Blues guitarist, but I standby my
opinion that he hasn't had a sufficient influence on Prog to be
included as Proto-Prog. Like I said though, he'd fit in a Progressive
Blues category, but since we don't have such a category yet, I think
it's better to leave him off the site completely. We can't have all the
Psychedelic bands and artists of the late '60s here, can we?
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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Oh, just a blues gitarist with an edge? I can remember me an album Electric Ladyland on which he blends several styles, above that he has played not only blues but also rock, psychedelia and some great varied work on the acoustic guitar In my opinion Jimi Hendrix was already 'progressive minded' in his mother's womb Edited by erik neuteboom - August 14 2006 at 13:35 |
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AtLossForWords ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 11 2005 Status: Offline Points: 6699 |
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Absolutely not, Hendrix was built off of show styles that musicians have little appreciation for. Hendrix never did anything that was "progressive" he was just a blues guitarist with an edge.
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Raff ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
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Amen, brother! ![]() ![]() |
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WaywardSon ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 23 2006 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 2537 |
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I think the whole debate boils down to
1 Being Progressive
2 Playing Progressive music
Hendrix was Progressive in the way he changed guitar playing, but then so was Eddie Van Halen when he introduced two hand tapping to the masses.
But both of them didn´t really play Progressive music.
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Philéas ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 14 2006 Status: Offline Points: 6419 |
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That's not influence, that's just a comparison Rober Fripp made between his and Hendrix's music. He didn't mention being influenced by Hendrix, and I don't hear much Hendrix influence in his music anyway.
Do try to find out the name of that book, I'd be very interesting to read it. As far as I know, no one considered Hendrix to be part of the early Progressive Rock movement during the late 1960s and early 1970s. Hendrix played Psychedelic Rock and Electric Blues. I can accept him being called a "Progressive Blues" artist, but not a Progressive Rock one. I accept that he might have had some influence on Prog, but as far as I can hear when I listen through the classic Prog records, there isn't enough of Hendrix in there to justify his inclusion as a Proto-Prog artist on this site. Again, if we ever were to have a Progressive Blues category on this site, I'd accept his introduction into it. However, as we don't yet have that category, I think that Jimi Hendrix should be left out until it's implemented. |
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