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micky 
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 Posted: August 07 2006 at 20:33 |
 Arsillus wrote:
Mategra wrote:
I'm sick and tired of all this Rush-fanboyism. That's
one of the reasons why I don't visit Prog Archives that much these
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Rush? How about DT? They have more polls. 
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oh wow.. sure that poll has been done... would be interesting... 'rush fan' v 'DT fan'
hahha.. yeah... it's like the dilemma we Americans face every 4
years... both are evil and must have stakes driven through their
hearts.. but in the end... you must choose and you end up finding that
little something in one that that wins your vote. Rush for
Micky... at least I can listen to it and remember that before I started
shaving and hit puberty.. I did love this group...
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Arsillus
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Posted: August 07 2006 at 20:24 |
Mategra wrote:
I'm sick and tired of all this Rush-fanboyism. That's one of the reasons why I don't visit Prog Archives that much these days. |
Rush? How about DT? They have more polls.
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micky
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Posted: August 07 2006 at 20:22 |
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I wasnae taking it personally my friend.
I am merely saying that Rush are Prog Rock because they were
accepted as Prog Rock band between 1976 and 1979.Whether history
decides that their credentials should be scrutinised and re-assessed
doesnt alter the fact that they belong in that category.This is aimed
at those that think Rush should be in Prog-Related that's all.To move Rush into Prog-related would be an historical innacuracy... |
for all the joshing I do... I couldn't agree more...
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Tony R
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Posted: August 07 2006 at 18:22 |
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Just like moving Gentle Giant into "Art Rock" along with Roxy Music, I feel... |
But GG arent Symphonic..
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Posted: August 07 2006 at 16:19 |
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Just like moving Gentle Giant into "Art Rock" along with Roxy Music, I feel...
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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Tony R
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Posted: August 07 2006 at 14:33 |
erik neuteboom wrote:
Fellow Rush die-hard Tony R, I have read your entire story in your post, I am only reacting on the last prhase about no progrock after 1978, it's also not meant personally because you quote something and there I react on, that's all.
Indeed, in the early Eighties neo-prog was the new mainly Genesis inspired prog rock movement, speerheaded by Marillion and followed by me from the very first moment in 1982, even Rush was second best at that moment for me [IMG]height=17 alt=Wink src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle> ... |
I wasnae taking it personally my friend.
I am merely saying that Rush are Prog Rock because they were accepted as Prog Rock band between 1976 and 1979.Whether history decides that their credentials should be scrutinised and re-assessed doesnt alter the fact that they belong in that category.This is aimed at those that think Rush should be in Prog-Related that's all.To move Rush into Prog-related would be an historical innacuracy...
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: August 07 2006 at 14:28 |
Fellow Rush die-hard Tony R, I have read your entire story in your post, I am only reacting on the last prhase about no progrock after 1978, it's also not meant personally because you quote something and there I react on, that's all.
Indeed, in the early Eighties neo-prog was the new mainly Genesis inspired prog rock movement, speerheaded by Marillion and followed by me from the very first moment in 1982, even Rush was second best at that moment for me  ...
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Tony R
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Posted: August 07 2006 at 13:46 |
erik neuteboom wrote:
No Prog Rock after 1978, Tony R?
Just listen to what these bands (out of my head) created after 1978: Bacamarte/Ange/Twelfth Night/Ozric Tentacles/Edhels/Nemo ...
And some bands started as clones but managed to create an own sound like .. Rush, Anekdoten, Porcupine Tree... to name a few.
To me their music doesn't sound regressive, it's (very) distinctive progressive music, not mainly based upon the Seventies prog! |
You havent read all my post Erik or you would not make the points you do.
I am saying that "Prog Rock" was a monicker associated with certain bands over a relatively short period of time. The term was invented to describe the type of music Yes,Genesis et al were playing specifically as a way of pidgeon-holing them.
My memory seems to recall that Art Rock was the big umberella genre that Prog Rock sat BENEATH,now this situation has been reversed...
That is why Marillion and IQ ETC who were heavily influenced by Genesis (amongst others)but came after the "golden era" were called Neo-Prog isnt it?
Edited by Tony R - August 07 2006 at 13:49
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Posted: August 07 2006 at 10:39 |
Mategra wrote:
I'm sick and tired of all this Rush-fanboyism. That's one of the reasons why I don't visit Prog Archives that much these days. |
If any discussion about a band constitutes fanboyism then there's alot of it going on here at the archives.
BTW Cert, nice points you laid out. I disagree, but still an interesting read.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Posted: August 07 2006 at 10:10 |
Certif1ed wrote:
Note that Queen are actually in Prog-Related - ie, somehow not considered a Prog band.
However, in my opinion, that is wrong, and Queen should be categorised as pure Prog for at least 5 of their albums - which should be enough to qualify.
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Queen is definitely Progressive to me. Even though they don't dabble in odd-time sigs, the type of music they had written and the musicianship they exhibited at a minimum makes them proto-Prog.
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Posted: August 07 2006 at 10:06 |
Mategra wrote:
I'm sick and tired of all this Rush-fanboyism. That's one of the reasons why I don't visit Prog Archives that much these days. |
Would you rather have Genesis-fanboyism?
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Mategra
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Posted: August 07 2006 at 07:36 |
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I'm sick and tired of all this Rush-fanboyism. That's one of the reasons why I don't visit Prog Archives that much these days.
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: August 07 2006 at 05:21 |
No Prog Rock after 1978, Tony R?
Just listen to what these bands (out of my head) created after 1978: Bacamarte/Ange/Twelfth Night/Ozric Tentacles/Edhels/Nemo ...
And some bands started as clones but managed to create an own sound like .. Rush, Anekdoten, Porcupine Tree... to name a few.
To me their music doesn't sound regressive, it's (very) distinctive progressive music, not mainly based upon the Seventies prog!
Edited by erik neuteboom - August 07 2006 at 05:22
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Tony R
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Posted: August 07 2006 at 04:12 |
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Posted: August 07 2006 at 02:46 |
Tony R wrote:
This may sound crazy to some (those who werent around in the 1970s for starters!) but there is a perfectly legitimate argument that says that no band that came into existence after 1978 can possibly be a Prog Rock band.You had to be there at the time.
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Time to illegitimise that argument...
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: August 06 2006 at 18:48 |
Yes, a wonderful funny embellishment of this often serious (for some too deadly serious) topic, I love those play of words, the late Syd Barrett was a master in it!
Edited by erik neuteboom - August 06 2006 at 18:48
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Evans
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Posted: August 06 2006 at 18:42 |
Yukorin wrote:
Erik,
Are ya knackered man ?
No! I'm Jan Akkerman!
Half Man Half Biscuit lyric back in the annals...) |
I found that quite funny. I think you should "post bollocks" more often, if these are the kinds of bollocks you come up with.. :)
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micky
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Posted: August 06 2006 at 18:10 |
Yukorin wrote:
Mickster ! Long time no smell ol' bean ! How the devil are ya ?
I'm a lil' tipsy so I'm busy posting bollocks as usual
Try callin' KC Art Rock to any of your buddies without laughin' cos
you an' I know they ain't buyin' it. If progarchives uses American
definitions then I'm lost !
An earlier poster mentioned Rush were
always under HM in the record shop. Concur. And the last time I looked
they still are. Not that it matters. |
livin' breathin' survivin' the usual hahhaha.. perfectin' the art of stackin' sh*t taller than the tallest ego here 
As far as King Crimson... in between beers if you could... just what
would you classify them as... I could use a laugh myself... I've been
listening to David Allan Coe today however since I put it on... I got
drunk.. my mom got out of prison...then promptly got run over by a
damned old train.... then my wife didn't even call me by my
name....
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Posted: August 06 2006 at 17:00 |
I must say you have a strange notion about a joke "working out", Erik.
I clearly stated that I did not believe it. Had I believed it, would
your joke then have failed? No, you would have laughed at me. Then in
what way has your joke "worked out"? On the contrary, I think I turned
the tables on you with my reaction.
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 BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.
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Yukorin
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Posted: August 06 2006 at 16:42 |
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Edited by Yukorin - September 14 2006 at 05:53
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Can we put Rush in the super prog category?
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