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Bj-1 
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 Posted: July 07 2006 at 18:54 |
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Number nine, number nine, number nine... |
...Turn me on dead man, turn me on dead man, turn me on dead man...
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Posted: July 07 2006 at 18:20 |
Agreed - Karlheinz Stockhausen was a major influence on Lennon particularly, after McCartney heard "Kontakte" and played it to Lennon (as I understand the story).
The composer's influence is apparent on "Rain" (b-side of "Paperback Writer), "She Said, She Said" and, of course, "Tomorrow Never Knows", among many others.
Stockhausen didn't know he was such an influence - indeed, when asked if he would mind appearing on the cover of "Sergeant Pepper...", his first question was "Who are the Beatles?".
Many other bands became influenced by the music of Stockhausen as a result - and "Revolution #9" is notable as being a fully-fledged Avante-Garde piece as opposed to a song using Avante-Garde influences like the pieces I mentioned above - thus encouraging the experimental approach further - hey, if the Beatles can do it...
Edited by Certif1ed - July 07 2006 at 18:25
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Dick Heath
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Posted: July 07 2006 at 13:18 |
RoyalJelly wrote:
What, there's nothing between total masterpiece and drug trip and failure? I'd call it a very important opening of rock (or at least being on a rock album) into realms of avant-garde and electronic/musique concrete. Very daring and experimental in this context, and pushing into realms of sound as an element of composition, telling stories by means of soundscape. Influenced by Cage and Zappa, and still somewhat ahead of its time. |
All the interviews about this track talk about Carl Stockhausen not Cage or Zappa - McCartney apparently was listening to avantgarde serious music on BBC Radio Three at the time, as a means of developing his musical education, and discussing it with George martin..
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dralan
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Posted: July 07 2006 at 11:09 |
Im not sure what to say about this piece. It is interesting and I can kind of see what Lennon was trying to do. But it just doesnt stand up to the Beatles high standard of songwriting. As everyone knows Ono was a huge influence on John at that time and I really think he had lost interest in the Beatles. Not a total failure but a curious anomaly and rather dissapointing for the Beatles.
BTW thanks for that interesting link Mystic Fred.
Edited by dralan - July 07 2006 at 11:14
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Posted: July 07 2006 at 10:54 |
At the time "The Beatles" was first released the listening public were still rather conservative and cynical of anything regarded as "new" in any form, just as they have always been, and probably always will be.
Though most people like myself were pleased with the album, it has some brilliant songs on it, most of the music was unmercifully analysed and criticised by the press and media thinking the Beatles had "lost it" and their creative fountain had become infected through drugs and Maharishis, "Revolution No.9" seemed to add fuel to that rather cynical viewpoint, and it is customary in show business for artists to be "built up" and "knocked down" by the fickle public, we've seen it many times.
Most thought it was just a load of confused and maniacal voices and sound effects, when i first heard "No.9" i at first recoiled in disgust but over the years i had a fascination with it, like being hypnotised by a snake - i found it strange, weird, hypnotic, surreal, frightning, but i never got tired of listening to it and trying to understand it - there are still things in there that i missed, it's like going on a journey.
Some may call Lennon's Stockhausen-influenced piece a waste of time, or some could say one day all music will be like this!
For those that are curious, you might find this link interesting...
Edited by mystic fred - July 07 2006 at 11:10
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RoyalJelly
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Posted: July 07 2006 at 10:22 |
tdreamer wrote:
Spoils an otherwise great album. |
I think it adds to an otherwise great album, that was spoiled by "Rocky Racoon" and "OhBlaDiOhBlaDa", ugghh...same way "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" sucks on Abbey Road.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 22:52 |
When I first heard it I didn't know what to think, and now after a few years of listening I still don't. Ambitious, but clearly underdeveloped. Not a favorite of mine.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Zac M
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 22:43 |
Number nine, number nine, number nine...
Pop goes avant garde
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"Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression."
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 20:38 |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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bhikkhu
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 20:35 |
bruin69 wrote:
Horrible horrible stuff, only marginally more horrible than most of the Beatles' work |
Blasphemy!!! 
Get your pitchforks and torches. We have a heretic here! 
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micky
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 20:18 |
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the ultimate druggy trip.... so I've heard .... and there's one
person who hasn't heard it.. my god... stop watching the damn
MTV...stop even with Prog Metal... and go back to where it all started
and check out that era of the Beatles hhahha
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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el böthy
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 19:44 |
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Well, it works with the album...but its not a song
I think the Beatles just wanted to experiment and (once again) do something nobody had ever done before...
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tdreamer
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 19:25 |
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Spoils an otherwise great album.
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bruin69
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 19:10 |
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Horrible horrible stuff, only marginally more horrible than most of the Beatles' work
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Lota
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 19:03 |
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Lennon was working on Plastic Ono Band by that time, making those weird noises with Yoko, so he thought it would be fan to put something like that on The White Album. McCartney wasnt that happy with that song either. But everybody decided to put it anyways. Aint that bad, but it doesnt reach Beatles standards
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bhikkhu
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 19:02 |
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It's not really a song, it's performance art (or studio art). I find it an interesting curiosity. Sometimes it gives me the willies. So it is effective on some level.
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Philéas
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 18:44 |
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It's interesting for sure, but not a masterpiece. Though I don't really
consider it failure or filler either, and as far as I know, it was
rather serious, which rules out the "humorous" option. "A druggy trip"
is probably the best alternative, but I'm not really sure what to call
it.
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Kord
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 17:39 |
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I don't like it....I prefer absolutely revolution n.1
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Bj-1
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 17:05 |
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Very confusing song Indeed. I don't know what to say really. It's good.
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 16:08 |
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Experimental for its time but it certainly confused people who loved The Beatles for songs like "Yesterday". It's not something I listen to very often.
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