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Barla View Drop Down
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2006 at 17:13

For me, jam and improvisation are the same: do what comes to your mind following certain scales, sometimes with some riffs in the middle, or in the soloing time of a song; and let you go by the music.

A good example is live Deep Purple.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2006 at 16:54

A few months ago I brought this up in another thread pretty much trying to understand the same thing.  For some reason I want to make a difference between the two.  I thought I understood it, but all too often is it challenged by something. 

My definitions
 
Jam - playing songs with extended instrumental sections with some spontaneity but overall following some sort of prethoughtout structure. 
 
Improvisation - a song created with little forthought, a few ideas for structure and general concept, maybe a few riffs here and there, but for the most part made up on the spot, generally the reason why they are so long, a good song is when the band members can really get into each others heads and sort of creat spontaneously together.  Improvising is the concience thought of trying to change/progress.
 
Right now, I like my definitions, but they continue to be challenged by songs like Yeti.  It says it's an improvisation, but not by my definition.  I don't think it's a jam either, somewhere in between.
 
There are tons of jam type bands
 
but not as many improvisational, because I imagine it is more difficult, and the example I am about to give of an improvisational band isn't really even a good example
 
Agitation Free- let's just take Layla prt2.  Now I guess I believe the only part of this song that is truly improvisational is the two guitar parts, because the rhythm is pretty much the same throughout.  But I do believe the guitars are improvisational throughout for the most part, I can definitely imagine this song played live this way, it could go on and on and you wouldn't care.
 
I dont know what I am asking, what are your definitions and examples
 
Aaron
 
 
 
 
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