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Points: 21531 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2006 at 14:56
Originally posted by greenback greenback wrote:

i think we should include ALL the albums of a prog artist: this will allow people to analyze the progression/regression of the artist, and even orient their taste for every album of the artist.
 
for example, mike oldfield was first prog, then he turned new age but he did excellent new age albums like song from the distant earth, and this is something i really appreciate to know.
 
Agreed ... having the entire discography was always the policy of the archives, and even looking at the non-prog albums of a discography can be useful to understand the artist, and the opinions about him.
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^ This would be a great addition to the reviews ... you would simply need to add a genre dropdown to the review form.
 
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I've allways thougt adding genres to albums would be a great improvement. Cheers to PA for finally taking the step.Clap

Thinking of it. Why don't you collaborators create a poll-option for each album in which you define the possible genres and let members vote between the options (I believe Mike mentioned a thing like this).
 
Example:
 
Queen 2:
x Art-Rock (40%)
x Symphonic Prog (35%)
x Non Prog (25%)
 
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[cast your vote]
 
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x Non Prog (85%)
x Art Rock (15%)
 
These numbers would be quite informative to newcomers, apart from the rating.
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Points: 3300 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2006 at 14:51
i think we should include ALL the albums of a prog artist: this will allow people to analyze the progression/regression of the artist, and even orient their taste for every album of the artist.
 
for example, mike oldfield was first prog, then he turned new age but he did excellent new age albums like song from the distant earth, and this is something i really appreciate to know.
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Points: 21531 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2006 at 14:51
^ for these bands everything would stay as it is, without any manual work.Smile
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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2006 at 14:44
The advantage is that the well known bands is easy, wqhen he have to deal with bands from Tanzania or Pre-Perestroika Yougoslavia or Romania bands, where info is very limited.
 
And believe me, we have a lot of rare bands from the most exotic places (where we don't have a single member.
 
But yes it's a better idea, I agree now (With slight reservations).
 
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Points: 21531 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2006 at 14:41
Not necessarily. When genre by album is introduced, we simply copy the artist genre to the albums. Then, little by little, we can mark the "exceptions". It wouldn't hurt at all if "We Can't Dance" will then be marked as "Symphonic Prog" until we get around to marking it differently.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ That's another advantage of just labeling the albums non-prog ... it can be easily reversed, and no reviews or ratings are lost. That also means that it isn't a crucial decision, so we don't need complicated votes. Which would be kind of time-consuming with more than 10,000 albums ...
 
I tend to agree with you tinking things better, but it would be a hell of a job tagging Non Prog after listening 25,000 (Oxymoron) albums in my case Ouch
 
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I think deleating records.....it is so subjective! Prog in its genuine meaning... Then we have too delete a lot of bands and only invlude After crying from the last decade
    
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^ That's another advantage of just labeling the albums non-prog ... it can be easily reversed, and no reviews or ratings are lost. That also means that it isn't a crucial decision, so we don't need complicated votes. Which would be kind of time-consuming with more than 10,000 albums ...

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But SD, if this albums ARE NOT PROG, why in hell do we have them on a Prog site?
 
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Well as part of a group,I say Big Gen stays.
 
Your vote will be counted LOL
 
But Genral opinion of the people involved make the decision, probably BG will stay, or even We Can't dance, but the group by simple votes decide.
 
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The very idea of removing parts of discography is againsr everything I believe in here. No way do I want to see ANY album removed.
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I don't like the idea of "excluding" any of the bands recently added. For me, it's useful to know the comments on albums by Deep Purple, Queen... I think the idea of labeling the albums as "non prog" and not allowing them to appear on the ranking is quite good.
One of the reasons for visiting PA is that the reviews are made by people with tastes similar to mine, the labels are not that important...
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Well as part of a group,I say Big Gen stays.
 
Your vote will be counted LOL
 
But Genral opinion of the people involved make the decision, probably BG will stay, or even We Can't dance, but the group by simple votes decide.
 
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It would already be a "radical" solution to have some designated people decide that an album is non-prog ... there'll be some tough changes.
 
Let's decide that later, when genre per album is available, shall we?Smile
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2006 at 14:07
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

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Add a genre "non-prog". Those albums would definitely not be displayed on the front page. We can then always choose to add other genres later ... I know you want to be inclusive, but this should remain a prog website.Smile
 
Well, I feel more comfortable deleting all those albums we (as a group) believe are non Prog. like We Can't Dance (Genesis) BIG Generator (Yes), Vynil Confessions (Kansas), etc.
 
Leaving the bands clean from a Prog' perspective.
 
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Well as part of a group,I say Big Gen stays.
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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2006 at 14:05
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Mike wrote:
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Add a genre "non-prog". Those albums would definitely not be displayed on the front page. We can then always choose to add other genres later ... I know you want to be inclusive, but this should remain a prog website.Smile
 
Well, I feel more comfortable deleting all those albums we (as a group) believe are non Prog. like We Can't Dance (Genesis) BIG Generator (Yes), Vynil Confessions (Kansas), etc.
 
Leaving the bands clean from a Prog' perspective.
 
Iván
 
 
The problem is that then people would constantly try to add these albums, as the discography isn't complete, or ask why album xyz isn't there. No, I think the artist pages would be more useful if it clearly tells the visitor which parts of the discography we think is progressive. This would also settle MANY problems with the prog related bands, for example if we categorized the first few Deep Purple albums as PRoto-Prog, and the rest as Non-Prog.
 
Remember: Non-Prog albums could still be reviewed, but would not be shown on the front page.
 
Mike sometimes radical solutions are better, if the people designed by the site to decide that an album goes no more, it goes no more!!!!!
 
Sounds Draconian, but M@x or the Adm block the albums, and that's all Folks, the album doesn't come back.
 
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Mike wrote:
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Add a genre "non-prog". Those albums would definitely not be displayed on the front page. We can then always choose to add other genres later ... I know you want to be inclusive, but this should remain a prog website.Smile
 
Well, I feel more comfortable deleting all those albums we (as a group) believe are non Prog. like We Can't Dance (Genesis) BIG Generator (Yes), Vynil Confessions (Kansas), etc.
 
Leaving the bands clean from a Prog' perspective.
 
Iván
 
 
The problem is that then people would constantly try to add these albums, as the discography isn't complete, or ask why album xyz isn't there. No, I think the artist pages would be more useful if it clearly tells the visitor which parts of the discography we think is progressive. This would also settle MANY problems with the prog related bands, for example if we categorized the first few Deep Purple albums as PRoto-Prog, and the rest as Non-Prog.
 
Remember: Non-Prog albums could still be reviewed, but would not be shown on the front page.
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Points: 21531 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2006 at 13:57
The problem with genre classification is that we all have slightly different definitions of genres. It's most apparent with this new "Hard Prog Rock" thing. If we would leave the classification to all members we would end up with many votes that technically aren't valid/reasonable because the voter had something completely different in mind than what the genre really means (by the definition).
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Mike wrote:
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Add a genre "non-prog". Those albums would definitely not be displayed on the front page. We can then always choose to add other genres later ... I know you want to be inclusive, but this should remain a prog website.Smile
 
Well, I feel more comfortable deleting all those albums we (as a group) believe are non Prog. like We Can't Dance (Genesis) BIG Generator (Yes), Vynil Confessions (Kansas), etc.
 
Leaving the bands clean from a Prog' perspective.
 
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