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Viajero Astral
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Joined: January 16 2006
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Posted: April 20 2006 at 16:20 |
What about the DVD-Audio and the SACD ?
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MikeEnRegalia
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Joined: April 22 2005
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Posted: April 20 2006 at 15:30 |
oliverstoned wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I've been listening to vinyl at the beginning of the 1990s - on a decent system (dual turntable + musical fidelity amp + magnat speakers), and I did not hear a striking difference between vinyl and CD.
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Cause you've never heard a good system. |
You're such an incredible audio snob oliver ... too bad that you already admitted in earlier posts that Musical Fidelity amps are at least decent.
You may continue on your quest for the perfect sound with my blessing. Too bad that there will always be a better system than yours, so you'll never ever be able to enjoy music.
I can enjoy music to the fullest with my 70 EUR Logitech speakers, and I wouldn't trade that ability for ANY audiophile system. And NO, that does not imply that I admit that such a system would sound much better. OF course it would be cool to have some chromium plated shiny sparkling tube gizmo with gold plated connectors, silver cables and it's own atom-bomb proof power generator. I'm sure my friends would all go "wow" and come to my place and listen to it at wall-shaking volume, and together with some incense (stencher) and esoteric room interior they would finally agree that it sounds superior to their own system.
All that doesn't matter ... the music is what really matters, and you can enjoy it on ANY system. And yes, you can even enjoy listening to internet radio on 24kbps mono.
Music is the best!
Edited by MikeEnRegalia
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Empathy
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Joined: June 30 2005
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Points: 1864
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Posted: April 20 2006 at 13:55 |
^ Oh boy, here we go again...
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oliverstoned
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Joined: March 26 2004
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Posted: April 20 2006 at 12:47 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
DeepPhreeze wrote:
Empathy wrote:
DeepPhreeze wrote:
For me, since I have almost super-human hearing, I can pick out little tiny details in music most people cannot. | Is there ANYthing you don't know or can't do?!?! *sheesh*P.S. - My merely human ears find that digital recordings are more _accurate_, which sometimes isn't as pleasing to the human ear. | It was an exaggeration; I have VERY good hearing, but not so good that I can hear EVERYTHING around me.But I can definitely hear the difference between digital and analog.Take 'Wish You Were Here' for instance. On vinyl, the drums are represented fairly. The sound is in no way 'sharp' or 'brash'. On CD or MP3, I have to turn it off because it sounds so... <SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">pixellated</SPAN>. Yes. It sounds digitized and it's the equivalent of having a pixellated JPEG.Digital music can only be so accurate in how it represents certain tones, sounds, volume levels... Listen to a live record on LP, and listen to the same recording on CD. I guarantee you will be spoiled after hearing the LP. |
I've been listening to vinyl at the beginning of the 1990s - on a decent system (dual turntable + musical fidelity amp + magnat speakers), and I did not hear a striking difference between vinyl and CD.
Come on! Do you honestly believe that CD would have replaced vinyl that quickly and persistently if it really sounds "pixellated"? I have good hearing, I'm a trained musician and I even created some recordings in a home studio back then - we had a small studio (small like: equipment for 10,000 EUR) in our basement, with professional monitors and all.
No sir, there is no striking difference between analog and CD ... unless you're a dog or a cat with hypersonic hearing. |
Cause you've never heard a good system.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: April 20 2006 at 12:46 |
MrHiccup wrote:
Digital. I'm sure nobody would be able to tell the difference between analog and digital in the future...Besides, digital saves a lot of physical space. |
Digital will allways be inferior cause it affects the signal's integrity. Now digital can work a minimum with a lot of money.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: April 20 2006 at 12:45 |
Xenoxen wrote:
I choose analog - It's warm and very detailed and accurate.
Digital - is cold and looses a lot of fine detail. |
A good definiton indeed.
You can say the same about Solid state versus Tubes (at least in the highs).
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DeepPhreeze
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Joined: April 02 2006
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Points: 261
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Posted: April 20 2006 at 12:41 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
DeepPhreeze wrote:
Empathy wrote:
DeepPhreeze wrote:
For me, since I have almost super-human hearing, I can pick out little tiny details in music most people cannot.
| Is there ANYthing you don't know or can't do?!?! *sheesh*
P.S. - My merely human ears find that digital recordings are more _accurate_, which sometimes isn't as pleasing to the human ear. |
It was an exaggeration; I have VERY good hearing, but not so good that I can hear EVERYTHING around me.
But I can definitely hear the difference between digital and analog. Take 'Wish You Were Here' for instance. On vinyl, the drums are represented fairly. The sound is in no way 'sharp' or 'brash'. On CD or MP3, I have to turn it off because it sounds so... pixellated. Yes. It sounds digitized and it's the equivalent of having a pixellated JPEG.
Digital music can only be so accurate in how it represents certain tones, sounds, volume levels... Listen to a live record on LP, and listen to the same recording on CD. I guarantee you will be spoiled after hearing the LP.
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I've been listening to vinyl at the beginning of the 1990s - on a decent system (dual turntable + musical fidelity amp + magnat speakers), and I did not hear a striking difference between vinyl and CD.
Come on! Do you honestly believe that CD would have replaced vinyl that quickly and persistently if it really sounds "pixellated"? I have good hearing, I'm a trained musician and I even created some recordings in a home studio back then - we had a small studio (small like: equipment for 10,000 EUR) in our basement, with professional monitors and all.
No sir, there is no striking difference between analog and CD ... unless you're a dog or a cat with hypersonic hearing. |
Well, you can hold that opinion. I still say analog sounds infinitely better. My dad says it too --- he can tell the difference easily. He says digital music 'just sounds awful'.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Joined: April 22 2005
Location: Sweden
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Points: 21180
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Posted: April 20 2006 at 03:29 |
DeepPhreeze wrote:
Empathy wrote:
DeepPhreeze wrote:
For me, since I have almost super-human hearing, I can pick out little tiny details in music most people cannot.
| Is there ANYthing you don't know or can't do?!?! *sheesh*
P.S. - My merely human ears find that digital recordings are more _accurate_, which sometimes isn't as pleasing to the human ear. |
It was an exaggeration; I have VERY good hearing, but not so good that I can hear EVERYTHING around me.
But I can definitely hear the difference between digital and analog. Take 'Wish You Were Here' for instance. On vinyl, the drums are represented fairly. The sound is in no way 'sharp' or 'brash'. On CD or MP3, I have to turn it off because it sounds so... pixellated. Yes. It sounds digitized and it's the equivalent of having a pixellated JPEG.
Digital music can only be so accurate in how it represents certain tones, sounds, volume levels... Listen to a live record on LP, and listen to the same recording on CD. I guarantee you will be spoiled after hearing the LP.
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I've been listening to vinyl at the beginning of the 1990s - on a decent system (dual turntable + musical fidelity amp + magnat speakers), and I did not hear a striking difference between vinyl and CD.
Come on! Do you honestly believe that CD would have replaced vinyl that quickly and persistently if it really sounds "pixellated"? I have good hearing, I'm a trained musician and I even created some recordings in a home studio back then - we had a small studio (small like: equipment for 10,000 EUR) in our basement, with professional monitors and all.
No sir, there is no striking difference between analog and CD ... unless you're a dog or a cat with hypersonic hearing.
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DeepPhreeze
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Joined: April 02 2006
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Points: 261
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 21:59 |
Empathy wrote:
DeepPhreeze wrote:
For me, since I have almost super-human hearing, I can pick out little tiny details in music most people cannot.
| Is there ANYthing you don't know or can't do?!?! *sheesh*
P.S. - My merely human ears find that digital recordings are more _accurate_, which sometimes isn't as pleasing to the human ear. |
It was an exaggeration; I have VERY good hearing, but not so good that I can hear EVERYTHING around me. But I can definitely hear the difference between digital and analog. Take 'Wish You Were Here' for instance. On vinyl, the drums are represented fairly. The sound is in no way 'sharp' or 'brash'. On CD or MP3, I have to turn it off because it sounds so... pixellated. Yes. It sounds digitized and it's the equivalent of having a pixellated JPEG. Digital music can only be so accurate in how it represents certain tones, sounds, volume levels... Listen to a live record on LP, and listen to the same recording on CD. I guarantee you will be spoiled after hearing the LP.
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video vertigo
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Joined: September 17 2004
Location: United States
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Points: 1930
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 21:29 |
I thought this was about watches, until I read some posts
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"The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa
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MrHiccup
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Joined: December 02 2005
Location: Argentina
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Points: 167
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 19:12 |
Digital. I'm sure nobody would be able to tell the difference between analog and digital in the future... Besides, digital saves a lot of physical space.
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Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends...
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Zavgorodny
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Joined: April 18 2006
Location: Ukraine
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Points: 22
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 05:59 |
digital. in fact, 99% of time I listen to mp3 (Hi-Q, though).
why? because IT'S SIMPLE.
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yes, I know, my English is far from perfect. I comfortable with it.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Joined: April 22 2005
Location: Sweden
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 03:31 |
SirPsycho388 wrote:
ADAT tapes are absolutely perfect! The perfect mix between analog and digital. |
ADAT tapes are 100% digital.
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SirPsycho388
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 23:39 |
ADAT tapes are absolutely perfect! The perfect mix between analog and digital.
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Strangers passing in the street by chance two separate glances meet and I am you and what I see is me. And do I take you by the hand and lead you through the land and help me understand the best I can
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KoS
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Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 23:16 |
digital it saves space
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The Miracle
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Joined: May 29 2005
Location: hell
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 23:05 |
Digital because of less distortion and more convenient disks. But vinyl "tastes" better, if you know what I mean
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Empathy
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Joined: June 30 2005
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Points: 1864
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 22:59 |
DeepPhreeze wrote:
For me, since I have almost super-human hearing, I can pick out little tiny details in music most people cannot.
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Is there ANYthing you don't know or can't do?!?! *sheesh* P.S. - My merely human ears find that digital recordings are more _accurate_, which sometimes isn't as pleasing to the human ear.
Edited by Empathy
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el böthy
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 27 2005
Location: Argentina
Status: Offline
Points: 6336
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 21:54 |
Digital for the albums... Analog for the keyboards...
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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TheProgtologist
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Joined: May 23 2005
Location: Baltimore,Md US
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 14:00 |
This belong in the Polls section,NOT prog polls.
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N Ellingworth
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Joined: April 17 2006
Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 13:47 |
I agree, to me the arguement between analog and digital is pointless, both have advantages and disadvantages but the differences are very slight and inaudible to me.
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