New Prog vs Old

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   many latter-day prog bands such as Dream Theater and Porcupine Tree are every bit as original sounding and relevant as the "old guard" Yes and Genesis era if not better - it seems to me prog rock has a very bright future!

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mystic fred Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 13 2006 Location: Londinium Status: Offline Points: 4252	Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:39
	many latter-day prog bands such as Dream Theater and Porcupine Tree are every bit as original sounding and relevant as the "old guard" Yes and Genesis era if not better - it seems to me prog rock has a very bright future!
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Ridge Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: September 29 2005 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 96	Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:38
	Old Prog, New Prog as long as it's Prog it's good! Most of it anyways.
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alan_pfeifer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: December 05 2004 Status: Offline Points: 823	Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:27
	Of course they're going to sound similar to the older groups. When you make any music, there's bound to be something in it that someone else has done before.

Trickster F. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: February 10 2006 Location: Belize Status: Offline Points: 5308	Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:46
	Are you trying to say that every well-known 70's classic prog group didn't sound like any other well-known 70's classic prog, and hid its influences so successfully that nobody could see who they were influenced by? Well, I tend to disagree. Those groups were all influenced by classical, rock music, jazz fusion and intellectual rock collectives listed under 'Proto-Prog' in this website, it's just that they did their best at sounding unique. However, the similarity in their style was so obvious that now they are all called 'Symphonic Prog'(I'm talking about the most well-known groups). Speaking of the groups of today, some are not shy to admit that they are retro or tribute groups who pay tributes to works of the 70's idols, such as The Flower Kings and Spock's Beard, whereas other groups, who even these archives' members aren't very well exposed to, take away the neccessary elements of the above-mentioned groups and manage to produce something new and innovative, thus progressing the genre and not turning it into a derivative cliche'd joke. Of course, many will reply to this thread and tell you that modern prog is all about paying tributes to the legends, but I've been given a chance to hear more and that's why I disagree. -- Ivan
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Vibrationbaby Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 6898	Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:37
	I DIDN`T MEAN TO WRITE REAL. I CHANGED IT. SORRY.

Padraic Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169	Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:34
	Your topic title is too much of a flame by immediately suggesting that new prog efforts aren't "real prog". Maybe you just prefer the works of the "old guard", so to speak, though I'm not even sure what your complaint about new artists is. That they all sound the same? That they are too derivative of the 70s bands? In any case, I assure you that for many members here, the newer prog efforts are quite "real". EDIT: I see you have corrected yourself. But still, what's the problem? Edited by NaturalScience

¢¾Old¢¾Hen¢¾ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: March 21 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 107	Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:30
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Vibrationbaby Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 6898	Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:30
	I`m sorry that was a freudian slip I meant to write old prog.

¢¾Old¢¾Hen¢¾ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: March 21 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 107	Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:28
	Hm ....
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Snow Dog Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995	Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:26
	....and The Flower Kings sound like The flower Kings.........to me at least.


Rashikal Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: December 07 2005 Status: Offline Points: 546	Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:22
	real new prog doesnt sound anything like fake new prog or old real prog.
	listen to Hella

FragileDT Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: June 20 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1485	Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:21
	I'm kind of confused what you're talking about in this post. New Prog vs Real prog? I consider new prog (if it is really prog) to be real so I can't see what you're talking about. I'm sick of old vs. new comparisons and I'm a much bigger old progressive fan (though I don't even think, besides the title, that that is your arguement.)
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Vibrationbaby Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 6898	Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:13
	What I really like about the old progressive rock bands is that they all had their own unique and individual sound. King Crimson didn`t sound like Yes. Fruup didn`t sound like Triumvirat. Gentle Giant sounded only like Gentle Giant. Guru Guru sounded like they had just arrived on the mother ship from another dimensional plane etc. These bands weren`t even called progressive rock bands back when I started getting into this music circa. 1971-72. Although I have tried to get into some of this newer stuff ( I didn`t even know there was a progressive rock movement still going until I stumbled on to this web-site a couple of years back by accident ) I find myself only buying re-issues and stuff from the vaults such a Gentle Giant`s Under Construction and very few bands from the 90`s such as Anekdoten ( they can sound like Crimson at times ), Rammstein, Laibach, Primus, Dream Theater ( because they do killer cover versions ) and I even bought the most recent Blondie album and am going to see both Blondie and Dream Theater here in Montreal this month. Am I just an old snob? I really couldn`t see myself going to one of these progfests. Any comments? Edited by Vibrationbaby