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gdub411 
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 Posted: October 31 2004 at 19:42 |
Ok...fair enough Mr Heath.But with all due respect let me present the question this way:
Could Pink Floyd exist without any of those bands and King Crimson of course that you listed? Undoubtably yes since they predated all but Soft machine and Soft machine was considered the 2nd act during those times.
Now could have those bands exist without Pink Floyd Maybe, but one cannot be too sure of that either which leads me to once again come to the conclusion that the biggest influence on Prog was Pink Floyd.
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Posted: October 31 2004 at 19:31 |
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It was their experimentation that influenced the other bands to take rock to the outer limits.
Syd was stoned!!!! So was most of the audience watching!!!! Floyd's
music was the soundtrack to be out of your skull on during the late
60's.
Thanks Cert, I do in deed mean time. I'm not denying Floyd has had an influence, but which bands were influenced by Floyd until after Meddle or DSOTM appeared?
Prog not only stemmed from psychedelia, also American garage, West
coast rock and folk, R'n'B, British blues boom, British folk, the
classics, Dave Brubeck Quartet, John Coltrane, Terry Riley etc.
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Posted: October 31 2004 at 12:36 |
I think Dick Heath is referring to that time, when prog meant something different 
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Posted: October 31 2004 at 12:35 |
I agree with vegetableman - although its only my opinion - i also think DSOTM was when Floyd left the prog stuff behind and became more aligned with a sort of classic rock with lsight prog tendencies. Of course this all depends on your definition of prog rock - which is a very controversial area? -
what is prog? - was it just symphonic rock of the genesis, crimson (early), yes, greenslade type or did it encompass all the avant-garde bands of the early seventies such as Faust, Neu!, Third Ear Band, Henry Cow???? -
in a wide defintion of prog then perhaps even post-DSOTM can be consoidered progressive. I certainly think wish you were here and DSOTM added things to musical experiences, but one could hardly call Animals a progressive piece of art - even tho I love the LP myself.
I think to to go back to the question Pink Floyd's early work is nowadays seen as being very influential, espec. in terms of the contemprary post-rock scene - while Crimson's early work is also important in beig a text-book e.g of the symphonic rock style.
Of course, both bands are massively important.
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Posted: October 31 2004 at 11:38 |
 Dick Heath wrote:
gdub411 wrote:
Which of these two bands was more instrumental in bringing about the progressive rock revolution of the late sixties and early seventies:
I would say Pink Floyd because they were the most influential band during the hippi underground movement back in 66'-67'. It was their experimentation that influenced the other bands to take rock to the outer limits. While it was all considered psychedelia and not progressive at the time you couldn't of had progressive without psychedelia in the 1st place.
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As I wrote elsewhere in Progarchives, Floyd were not considered prog by many of us British prog fans who were around then until at least Dark Side Of The Moon. They hung on to their hippiness (like Gong) several years into the 70's. Of the British bands, King Crimson and Renaissance (the Keith Ralf originals) were the earliest influential bands - I've not forgotten Moody Blues but a lot of us serious prog fans there then, said ITCOTCK was the album the Moody Blues were struggling to make. Soft Machine and Floyd in 1967 were co-headliners of the British underground movement, but Machine moved out of psychedelia in prog (Volume 2) and onto jazz rock (Third) a couple of years before Floyd recovered from Syd Barrett's departure. Soft Machine influenced a large number of European bands.
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How could the Floyd not have been considered prog until Dark Side? Is it possible to not consider Ummagumma, Atom Heart Mother, and Meddle not prog? They are more prog than Dark Side is, IMO.
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Posted: October 31 2004 at 11:34 |
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both great but pink floyd take the biscuit there. pink floyd's early instrumentals were great and showed strong porg direction like interstellar overdrive, sysyphus and a saucerful of secrets
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Posted: October 31 2004 at 11:31 |
gdub411 wrote:
Which of these two bands was more instrumental
in bringing about the progressive rock revolution of the late
sixties and early seventies:
I would say Pink Floyd because they were the most influential band
during the hippi underground movement back in 66'-67'. It was
their experimentation that influenced the other bands to take rock to
the outer limits. While it was all considered psychedelia and not
progressive at the time you couldn't of had progressive without
psychedelia in the 1st place. |
As I wrote elsewhere in Progarchives, Floyd were not considered
prog by many of us British prog fans who were around then until
at least Dark Side Of The Moon. They hung on to their hippiness (like Gong) several years into the 70's. Of the British bands, King Crimson and Renaissance (the Keith Ralf originals) were the earliest influential bands - I've not forgotten Moody Blues but a lot of us serious prog fans there then, said ITCOTCK was the album the Moody Blues were struggling to make. Soft Machine and Floyd in 1967 were co-headliners of the British underground movement, but Machine moved out of psychedelia in prog ( Volume 2) and onto jazz rock ( Third) a couple of years before Floyd recovered from Syd Barrett's departure. Soft Machine influenced a large number of European bands.
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gdub411
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Posted: October 31 2004 at 09:38 |
Which of these two bands was more instrumental in bringing about the progressive rock revolution of the late sixties and early seventies:
I would say Pink Floyd because they were the most influential band during the hippi underground movement back in 66'-67'. It was their experimentation that influenced the other bands to take rock to the outer limits. While it was all considered psychedelia and not progressive at the time you couldn't of had progressive without psychedelia in the 1st place.
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