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lucas 
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 Posted: October 20 2004 at 13:19 |
 oliverstoned wrote:
lucas wrote:
oliverstoned wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
Gentle Giant a MINOR band?! They practically DEFINE Progressive Rock!! |
You deceive me...
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not 'deceive' but disappoint. You probably thought of the french word 'décevoir'.
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Absolutely
It's a "faux ami"
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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lucas
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Posted: October 20 2004 at 13:17 |
oliverstoned wrote:
Renaissance are excellent cause they created their own style, made of romantism and delicate piano. |
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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oliverstoned
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Posted: October 20 2004 at 13:13 |
Dick Heath wrote:
oliverstoned wrote:
PF, Gong, Soft Machine defined Prog
...not Gentle Giant!
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Let's be contentious.
PF: defined prog????
On a historical basis they were late in the game. Until Meddle or even Dark Side Of The Moon, we first generation British prog fans, wouldn't have included PF under the heading of 'prog', they were 'English psychedelic' (beit the most important British psychedelic band of the late 60's and early 70's). I suspect it was the American discovery of PF, and need to find a category for their music, that 'prog' was first used.
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Ok they were psyche at the beggining, more than prog
But don't forget that psyche is the ancestor of prog
Moreover,look at the video , or listen to the cd "London 66/67" by PF, and you'll understand how good and precursor they were...
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lucas
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Posted: October 20 2004 at 13:13 |
oliverstoned wrote:
I like repetitive music, like in "Camembert electrique" or in "Inventions for electric guitar" but in Gentle giant, i find it boring and indisgestible...
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To be honest, I am also a GG-non fan, but mainly because of the main vocals, whose appeal I cannot understand. OK for the vocals sung in canon, the more pleasant vocals (the second vocalist, which should use more often his vocal chords than the main one... sorry if I can't give them a name), and the use of medieval and renaissance motifs in their music but the result sounds very dated and very hard to enter in.
Bands that I like the most in the prog area :
Ambrosia (great vocal harmonies and diverse music on their first three albums)
Saga (they have one of the most creative and talented bassist with them)
Supertramp (unforgettable melodies)
Sagrado Coraçao Da Terra (the greatest surprise for me since I'm into prog)
Queensryche
Marillion (no comment)
IQ (I re-discovered them with their last and best album)
It Bites (Francis Dunnery was a real musical genious)
Mike Oldfield
Dixie Dregs (much more accessible than Mahavishnu Orchestra and much more eclectic and... simply better)
Jethro Tull (Ian Anderson has aa astonishing voice and Barriemore Barlow's drumming impresses me veru much)
Renaissance (both line-ups recorded fantastic albums)
Le Orme (sublime voice)
Gordon Giltrap ('The peacock party' is one of the best instrumental work ever recorded)
Anthony Phillips (one of the few artists that achieved "non-boring" acoustic albums)
I am really not keen on what I would call the more "extreme" prog : Anglagard, Soft Machine, Henry Cow and other "difficult" music.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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oliverstoned
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Posted: October 20 2004 at 13:08 |
Carl floyd fan wrote:
Holy Cow! I just got Faust 4! Man do they rock!!! I love krautrock (Neu, Zao, Dyzan, Eiliff, guru guru, can, A.R.T., A.D.2, ect, ect,) but somehow missed Faust. I think the song krautrock perfectly sums up the genre in one 11 minute song. Faust should be added cause Faust 4 was on a major label, virgin. |
Hello,
ZAO is not some krautrock
This is more in the jazz-rock field.
If you like krautrock, try Agitation free, Popol vuh, Between, The cosmic jokers,
Amon dull, Ash ra temple...
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oliverstoned
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Posted: October 20 2004 at 13:03 |
lucas wrote:
oliverstoned wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
Gentle Giant a MINOR band?! They practically DEFINE Progressive Rock!! |
You deceive me...
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not 'deceive' but disappoint. You probably thought of the french word 'décevoir'.
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Absolutely
It's a "faux ami"
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Dick Heath
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Posted: October 20 2004 at 13:02 |
oliverstoned wrote:
PF, Gong, Soft Machine defined Prog
...not Gentle Giant!
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Let's be contentious.
PF: defined prog????
On a historical basis they were late in the game. Until Meddle or even Dark Side Of The Moon, we first generation British prog fans, wouldn't have included PF under the heading of 'prog', they were 'English psychedelic' (beit the most important British psychedelic band of the late 60's and early 70's). I suspect it was the American discovery of PF, and need to find a category for their music, that 'prog' was first used.
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lucas
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Posted: October 20 2004 at 12:37 |
oliverstoned wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
Gentle Giant a MINOR band?! They practically DEFINE Progressive Rock!! |
You deceive me...
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not 'deceive' but disappoint. You probably thought of the french word 'décevoir'.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Carl floyd fan
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Posted: October 20 2004 at 12:17 |
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Holy Cow! I just got Faust 4! Man do they rock!!! I love krautrock (Neu, Zao, Dyzan, Eiliff, guru guru, can, A.R.T., A.D.2, ect, ect,) but somehow missed Faust. I think the song krautrock perfectly sums up the genre in one 11 minute song. Faust should be added cause Faust 4 was on a major label, virgin.
Edited by Carl floyd fan
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: October 20 2004 at 11:06 |
Don't forget U.K.
The seventies couldn't end on a sharper note.
Oh, Todd Rundgren's Utopia. Gotta have that:
Check out the MP3 on the Bio page.
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Reed Lover
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Posted: October 20 2004 at 10:50 |
Lunarscape wrote:
And Trace, Triumvirat ? Kayak ? Mainstream bigtimers in their time. Renaissance ?
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Kayak ?
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oliverstoned
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Posted: October 20 2004 at 08:56 |
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Renaissance are excellent cause they created their own style, made of romantism and delicate piano.
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Lunarscape
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Posted: October 20 2004 at 08:37 |
And Trace, Triumvirat ? Kayak ? Mainstream bigtimers in their time. Renaissance ?
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Lunar
Edited by Lunarscape
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Music Is The Soul Bird That Flies In The Immense Heart Of The Listener . . .
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oliverstoned
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Posted: October 20 2004 at 07:36 |
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I much prefer the 1968/72 period
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oliverstoned
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Posted: October 20 2004 at 07:35 |
Yes i agree with you
Dark side is the beggining of the end for PF
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The Hemulen
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Posted: October 20 2004 at 06:35 |
I agree their music can be cluttered and clinical at times, but for me they were true innovators in music, and they also excite and enthrall me in a way that likes of Gong and the Softs also do.
Pink Floyd is the "major" band I've always had some difficulties trying to get into, which is controversial, I know. I love side one of Atom Heart Mother and there are many snatches of brilliance on Umma Gumma, but Dark Side of the Moon and the Wall do absolutely bugger all for me. Sorry chaps.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: October 20 2004 at 05:56 |
PF, Gong, Soft Machine defined Prog
...not Gentle Giant!
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oliverstoned
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Posted: October 20 2004 at 05:55 |
I explain why i don't like this band:
Forgetting the painful lyrics which are too present, the music is too jerked, not
enough fluid and too repetitive.
I like repetitive music, like in "Camembert electrique" or in "Inventions for electric guitar" but in Gentle giant, i find it boring and indisgestible...
So, for all these (subjective) reasons, i find this band overated.
Sorry for the fans...
I'm in unkind mood today!
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Dick Heath
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Posted: October 20 2004 at 05:52 |
Carl floyd fan wrote:
This is strictly 60s and 70s BTW
I would say that any true prog fan should have at least one album from at least ten of the following bands, which I consider to be the main players. Feel free to add and take away, but I can't see how any of these bands would be taken away. Most of these bands continued for more than a decade and is part of the reason why some appear in the list.
Genesis, Yes, Pink Floyd, Camel, Van Der Graaf Generator, Focus, Ash Ra tempel, ELP, Gentle Giant, Caravan, Jethro Tull, Eloy, Gong, Hawkwind, King Crimson, The Moody Blues, The Soft Machine, Steve Hillage, Mike Oldfield, Can, Nektar, Barclay James Harvest and Jade Warrior.
I have many cds by all of those bands above and although I d/l from hundreds more, I need to be pointed in a good direction when it comes to 2nd-tier bands and purchasing actual cds.
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Several in your list I've avoided replacing vinyl with CD, because simply I find they have grown dull with time, on one or all their recordings.
However, "2nd tier" - which might be read as "could have made it if they had the luck of many of those you listed":
Touch: Touch - IMHO the first American prog band.
T2: It'll All Work Out In Boomland - demonstrating a guitar-lead trio could play prog.
Spooky Tooth/Pierre Henry: Ceremony (weird scenes inside a gold mine)
Flash: Flash & Flash In The Can (the Yes-spin-off band)
Ibis: Sun Surprise (a largely forgotten Italian/English band of the early 70's)
Kraan: any of the first 5 or so albums - especially Live - all remastered by EMI of Germany in the last 3 years.
Magma: Mekanïk Destruktiv Kommandöh
Be Bop Deluxe - interesting mix of glam rock and prog, e.g Axe Victim (Bill Nelson is currently touring a reformed BeBop Deluxe and their albums have just been reissued again on CD)
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oliverstoned
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Posted: October 20 2004 at 05:39 |
Trouserpress wrote:
Gentle Giant a MINOR band?! They practically DEFINE Progressive Rock!! |
You deceive me...
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