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Poll Question: Which of these is four or five stars? (you can vote for more than one)
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
30 [15.38%]
20 [10.26%]
17 [8.72%]
30 [15.38%]
20 [10.26%]
5 [2.56%]
5 [2.56%]
9 [4.62%]
2 [1.03%]
5 [2.56%]
30 [15.38%]
2 [1.03%]
20 [10.26%]
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2004 at 16:50

I don't find "Passion play" difficult , just disappointing. After "Thick as a Brick", I eagerly anticipated Tull's next album. I hoped that my initial lack of appreciation would disappear with repeated listens, but it didn't. I don't think the composition on the album is any where near the standard Tull set on other albums.

VC, what do you think of the "Nightcap" album? Personally, I find the music of the "Chateau Disaster" tapes, (which was the initial attempt to make a follow up to "TAAB") to be far better than "A Passion play".

It's interesting that on the sleevenotes for "Nightcap", Ian Anderson himself  describes "A passion play" as "down-beat and controversial".



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2004 at 15:50

Originally posted by Velvetclown Velvetclown wrote:

A Passion Play, what´s wrong with difficult music ??? 

To my mind none of the works mentioned are anything less than 4 star entertainment. I certainly do not feel that A Passion Play is difficult musically.I do feel that if you have to resort to calling something difficult it does suggest there are inherant faults with it.Tales of Topographic Oceans is over-ambitious,and over-long, but I take my hat off to them for being bold. 90125 also by Yes is the opposite-it lacks direction and focus and seems to me to have been put together by committee whereas strong leadership would have realised that this kind of commercialism could only hasten the band's demise.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2004 at 15:30
There's nothing wrong with it as such, I can appreciate the work that's gone into it, it just hasn't clicked with me yet, maybe because I wasn't expecting anything anywhere near as far out from Jethro Tull?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2004 at 14:42
A Passion Play, what´s wrong with difficult music ??? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2004 at 14:37
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

I think it'll take a lot of listens for me to get into A Passion Play (apart from the Hare Who Lost His Spectacles :))

I've tried that Goose, and it still hasn't worked for me!Confused

 

D'ya know what "Passion Play" is about? I stayed up till 1:30 last night reading the annotation at http://www.ministry-of-information.co.uk/app/index.htm

It's about Ronnie Pilgrim: he dies, then goes to limbo, then is shown a video of himself in life (eg, the "passion play"), then goes to heaven and finds it really boring, and he talks to "G. Oddie" (God) about relocating to hell; then he talks to Lucifer and decides hell sucks too; then he escapes, wishing he was alive again; so finally he decides to take a ferry to the real world to get reincarnated.

Has nothing to do with Jesus: don't let the title fool you. A tip: before I get an album, I read the lyrics and annotations so that I fully understand it before I buy it. Then when I get it, the first listen is easier to get, and two or three listens later you 'get' all of it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2004 at 14:11
Personally I like "In Absentia" and "Signify" much better than "Lightbulb Sun"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2004 at 14:02

Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

I think it'll take a lot of listens for me to get into A Passion Play (apart from the Hare Who Lost His Spectacles :))

I've tried that Goose, and it still hasn't worked for me!Confused

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2004 at 13:44

Well its pretty obvious which one is going to be my top vote

next goes to The Wall.....none others awarded as im not a Yes or ELP fan and Ive not heard those other albums

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2004 at 13:38
I think it'll take a lot of listens for me to get into A Passion Play (apart from the Hare Who Lost His Spectacles :))
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2004 at 12:54
Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

I am sorry Threefates, but as you know I have never been bowled over by Yes as of yet and Brain Salad Surgery to me is just good....not great. I much prefer their 1st 2 albums. ELP has alot of great music ,but there is always something on each album that doesn't quite win me over. I don't mean to slam anyone's tastes or insult anyone, it is just my opinion.

I'm not knocking your opinion Greg... just thinking that saying the others are unnecessary sort of bothers me. 

3 stars is still good Threefates...that is what I would have awarded those

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2004 at 12:26

Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

Also I must say...I have never heard Spock's Beard or Porcupine Tree as of yet

I've got (downloaded...) Spock's Beard's "The Light" and Porcupine Tree's "Signify" and "Lightbulb Sun." I'm going to get "Snow" eventually I think.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2004 at 12:23
Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

I am sorry Threefates, but as you know I have never been bowled over by Yes as of yet and Brain Salad Surgery to me is just good....not great. I much prefer their 1st 2 albums. ELP has alot of great music ,but there is always something on each album that doesn't quite win me over. I don't mean to slam anyone's tastes or insult anyone, it is just my opinion.

I'm not knocking your opinion Greg... just thinking that saying the others are unnecessary sort of bothers me. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2004 at 06:00
The Lamb = 5
TFTO= 4
Passion Play =4

The Lamb:- was DIFFERENT from what Genesis had ever done
before or since.

TFTO:- was overly-long and gave new-boy Alan White it bit
too much rope in places.
Listening to Revealing the Science of God since originally posting this, I believe that this track includes some of Wakeman's greatest Moog and Mellotron
playing of his career

Passion Play:- Thick as a Brick with synths


PS I would like to have seen Camel's Rain Dances and Gentle Giant's Missing Piece in the poll

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2004 at 05:45
Also I must say...I have never heard Spock's Beard or Porcupine Tree as of yet
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2004 at 05:43
Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

The only one that is essential(4 or 5 stars) would be The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway....while I don't classify it as a masterpiece it is still an album every progger should own....the rest is unnecessary.,which doesn't mean their bad...but fall into the good but non-essential catagory

Thats the funniest thing I've read from you yet! 

I am sorry Threefates, but as you know I have never been bowled over by Yes as of yet and Brain Salad Surgery to me is just good....not great. I much prefer their 1st 2 albums. ELP has alot of great music ,but there is always something on each album that doesn't quite win me over. I don't mean to slam anyone's tastes or insult anyone, it is just my opinion.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2004 at 02:05

Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

The only one that is essential(4 or 5 stars) would be The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway....while I don't classify it as a masterpiece it is still an album every progger should own....the rest is unnecessary.,which doesn't mean their bad...but fall into the good but non-essential catagory

Thats the funniest thing I've read from you yet! 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2004 at 01:48

I voted 'The lamb..' 5 stars. A classic that was not that well recieved at the time. I understand this album caused a certain amount of controversy in the US when they toured out there with it. I think the English public school perception of what a Peurto Rican teenager would be like didn't go down that well with some members of that community. Just what I read.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2004 at 19:04
The only one that is essential(4 or 5 stars) would be The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway....while I don't classify it as a masterpiece it is still an album every progger should own....the rest is unnecessary.,which doesn't mean their bad...but fall into the good but non-essential catagory
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2004 at 18:42

"controversial albums" is just the title, it means nothing. I left out ones I'm not even considering, and threw in a few pop ones just to see what you thought about them.

I'm looking at getting "Relayer" soon and maybe "A Passion Play".

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2004 at 18:41
Some tracks of some of the albums above are 5 stars. For example:
Gates of Delirium - Relayer
Summer 68,If, Fat old sun - Atom Heart Mother
Toccata and Karn Evil 9 - ELP

But I think all of this groups have better albums.
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