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Sean Trane 
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Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20438 |
 Posted: January 07 2006 at 15:49 |
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I could live with that, too |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Moatilliatta
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Joined: December 01 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3083 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 14:37 |
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So I was just about to post my first review for Pelican, and I noticed that the ratings have been significantly lowered by this guy named "Kinetic," whom I have seen around other albums doing the same thing. It's getting pretty ridiculous.
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www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph
 
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MikeEnRegalia
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Online Points: 21632 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 14:31 |
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^ the problem with greenback's review is that most of the things which he dislikes are common for that kind of music. An "unmelodious rhythm guitar" ... this makes no sense to me whatsoever. "unconvincing TV" ... how can a TV sample be unconvincing? And then the hilarious sentence where he tries to insinuate that the album is basically one big ripoff ... ending with the "symphonic Malmsteen himself", which is again a contradictory, non-sense term. See? All of what I said here could be argued about. Neither you or me are authorities who can define what's nonsense and what is not. |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 14:23 |
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I never judge the ratings unless they are obviously stupid (remember the flawed thread), I'm in favour of reviewing, Have you read my previous posts?. But if a guy said that Close to the Edge is bad because Jon Andeson sounds like a Woman or because the songs are too long..........That's a stupid argument. I always said I respect people who dare to give low or high ratings making a review, because they are assuming a risk and its' clear when the person has a valid argument or he's simply talking crap. Compare: THIS IS A PILE OF CRAP YES Close to the Edge  — Well, here is is folks- the MOST OVERATED ALBUM ON THIS SITE. Easy..no doubt about it. The "epic" close to the edge- starts as a headache- the 1st 3 minutes sound like a truck filled with musical instruments colliding with a wall- its horrible- not untill the femanistic vocals come in does the song take a slight change for the better. Yes- he sounds like a woman. The lyrics are not as 'deep' as everyone says- instead, they are rather basic- most liekly sophistcated to an 8th grader. Dont try to analyze "Seasons Change..I get up..I get Down" ust meaningless lyrics. The rest of the album is DULL- nothing great here at all- but a headache, and an oveerated pile of trash. BLAH!!! This guy is too general (A truck collisioning agains a wall) why??' What instrument sounds bad, Why headache? What's the problem with having a high ranged voice (I don't like them, but I take my time to explain this)?
No serious reviewer will end with a BLAH!!!!
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This one says nothing:
YES Close to the Edge
Review (Permanent link) by Mike @ 10:38:46 PM EST, 6/15/2005  — 2.75-- These songs have some amazing parts capable of evoking intense emotion, but I fail to see why it is so revered. Some serious editing was needed here. Instead we get interminable passages at the end of which one is left reaching for the snooze button. Nothing, simply nothing about the album.
______________________________________ This is a review that makes sense even ifyou disagree:
DEVIN TOWNSEND Terria
Review (Permanent link) by greenback @ 12:35:41 AM EST, 12/24/2005 SPECIAL COLLABORATION — This music describes the best what is a monolithic electric guitar! I have never heard a more monolithic electric rhythmic guitar than on this record: that's completely ridiculous! This brutal guitar is so distorted and polluted with tons of useless effects that it takes all the available room! As if it was not enough, the musician seems to take a huge pleasure to exaggeratedly sustain each note, a painful torment for the ears! The rhythmic guitar is COMPLETELY unmelodious. The lead vocals are just simply too angry and aggressive for me. When the lead vocals are more mellow, they amazingly remind me David Gilmour and James LaBrie. There are some good acoustic guitar parts. There are some unconvincing TV or radio sounds, a much worse copy of Roger Waters' effects: they seem too coarsely produced. You can hear some whales-like sounds. There are some rare good passages, so that, globally, this record is not worth a complete listen. The only track that retained more my attention is "Deep peace", starting with an imitation of David Gilmour's voice; an Oldfield-esque guitar solo then begins, followed by an Hillage-esque one, featuring his spacy ambience from the "Green" album; then, it changes to a VERY modest & much slower attempt to emulate the symphonic Yngwie Malmsteen himself. This VERY rebel music is probably perfect for the young people who like disturbing moods. Rating: 1.5 star He takes the time to describe each instrument, the vocals, the sound, similarities, etc, it's obvious he hates the album, but waht's the problem?
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My whole point is that at least you got a review to make an idea about the reviewer, but in RWR you have no base, no idea, the guy may never even heard the album and simply hates Yes or Genesis, so he gives on star.
Iván
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MikeEnRegalia
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Online Points: 21632 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 13:53 |
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Dear Ivan, please note the 1 star review of greenback for a 5 star album (Devin Townsend - Terria). Who are you to judge whether a 1 star rating is valid or not? |
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Jared
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Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 20471 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 13:50 |
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yep, I have just deleted about 200 of them!.... Symphony X albums have fallen down the chart even quicker than they have risen over the past few days... |
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 13:50 |
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Let's check some of the top albums:
It's clear, Ratings without reviews go against the normal average of an album, and exceed by far the low ratings given by reviewers. Iván
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MikeEnRegalia
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Online Points: 21632 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 13:35 |
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^ I think that as long as these ratings are used in the calculations, there will be abuse.
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Easy Livin
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 13:19 |
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Collectively, Tony, Trotsky and myself agree the issue needs to be addressed. Personally, I think we have more chance of persuading M@X to reduce their impact, rather than excluding them all together. |
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moodyxadi
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Joined: November 01 2005 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 417 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 12:12 |
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I think everything has been said... Allowing reviews with not-so-good English but that make sense, and not counting the rating only reviews to the ranking, but not banishing them as well.
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Genesisprog
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Joined: October 14 2005 Location: Estonia Status: Offline Points: 188 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 11:19 |
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There are some persons who dont think what points do they give. Some put 1 ,other 5 5 means masterpeace -you cant put thoughtlessly 5 to albums. I put also only points,but I didnt write review.My english is not that good to describe my feelings about albums. Some jerks think that pointgiving is NUMBER GAME They put 5,51,,5,5 ,4,1, and again 5,5,5 etc. Look Rick Wakemans page for example.
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Frank Zappa,Pink Floyd,Yes,Genesis,Rush,King Crimson,Jethro Tull,E.L.P,Rick Wakeman -They have one similarity- I Love Them all !
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Zitro
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Joined: July 11 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1321 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 11:12 |
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I voted Yes, because You mostly get the 1star reviews from them (just to bring the rating down). Close to the Edge, and many Dream Theater Albums suffer from this.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Online Points: 21632 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 10:33 |
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That only shows that it might make sense. BTW: It's not my idea ... someone else suggested it and I picked it up. |
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Ricochet
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 10:22 |
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actually,that's an idea everyone eventually gets to...  |
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goose
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Joined: June 20 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4097 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 10:20 |
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Ricochet
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 10:15 |
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Exactly.Except that obvious case of zabriskie...,who tried to manipulte
the charts,you cannot evaluate a RwR...I personally cannot call the
person who votes 1* something spammer,troll,etc...if he has not
supported his rating with any message...it's a major problem.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Online Points: 21632 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 10:12 |
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The problem is that a rating cannot be argued about. As long as the reviewer shows that he/she has really listened to the album and the review contains some information about the album, the rating is valid ... no matter what some of us may think about it. Even if it is obviously an attempt at manipulation - like for example somewone who rates CttE 1 star, and SEbtP 5 stars.
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Ricochet
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 10:09 |
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A fair and possible situation...but not in all cases. Edited by Easy Livin |
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W.Chuck
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Joined: October 27 2005 Status: Offline Points: 606 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 10:07 |
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Why should people be shy? Nobody can see their e-mail adress and there's just a name, and the name is free-to-chose (of course nothing racist, etc.). So you can chose a NICKNAME you like and nobody will know who you are!
Yes, so far you can still understand it, grammatic faults are not worse! |
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Winter Wine
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Joined: December 12 2005 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 1140 |
Posted: January 07 2006 at 10:04 |
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Ah but Ricochet, you could easily just dislike a band for silly reasons. For example if someone were a big Klause schulze fan ( It's already happened, some guy gave Floyds albums masterpiece ratings and Yes' and Genesis' albums 1* ratings to try put Pink Floyd ahead. Stupid really. Edited by Easy Livin |
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