Suicide

Having just posted umpteenth answers to more than a few posts here, I thought I'd be better off to put it in one (hopefully) brief missive.
One - If you have never been clinically diagnosed as depressed, you don't know, you don't understand what it is. Period. This is not an insult to your intelligence, education, life experience, whatever. This is just not something you can learn about from books, O.K. .
Two - Thinking about it may very well be one thing. But, without knowing how far "gone" you are, it is better to talk about it with a medical professional. Better safe than sorry. You might just be blue. But if you aren't , you do not want to find that out after the hammer hits the bullet head.
Three - Telling someone to "snap out of it" is about the stupidest thing you can say. How low of an opinion can you hold of a loved one to believe that they would think otherwise if they could. Like, hey, your leg is broken, but if you don't worry about it, you'll see it goes away ... RIGHT !
Four - Do some people overdo it ? Damn Right ! But do you really want to take that chance ???? THink ABout it ... Do You ? This may literally be a life or death question with no second chances.
Five - If you think it is a sign of weakness, you are an insecure uninformed ignorant idiot. If you ever become ill enough to start thinking about suicide, I hope your family & friends know better than you do.
Six - If & when you do come through an episode of severe depression, you can believe one thing  - family & friends are more important than your health. Screw that old saying about having your health being the most important thing in life.
Seven - Do not believe that your cherished defenses (music, family, friends, work, sports, hobbies, wealth, health, etc ...) are a guarantee against it. This is not something that ANYBODY chooses to experience. Laziness, weakness, or any other demeaning description you may think describes those afflicted simply shows your lack of understanding, and assuredly your actual real life experience of such an emotion. Initially, thinking so will not make you a bad unfeeling friend or family member. Misinformation, prejudices, & just plain ignorance die hard. Just remember whether your best friend has reason to give you any doubts about what many figure is "supposed" illness.
Eight - Hope, dear God/Allah/Vishnu/whatever deity or god or none of the above that you never ever end up afflicted with this mental illness. If you have a bias against it, substitute another illness - cancer, AIDS, Ebola, take your pick. No one chooses what can possibly end up a deadly malady
Nine - If you have read this so far ... thank you for taking the time. Visit sites such as NIMH, or other government/medical (valid, not commercial) sites that can offer a wealth of information on this & other mental illnesses. They are the last frontier, medically speaking, as to what the general public wants to talk about or even think about.

To quote IQ's first song on their debut - "I'm Still Alive!"
And I intend to die of old age. My wife, daughter, my parents, my family & friends are the obstacle that Suicide cannot overcome. They mean that much to me, as I do to them. And if you ever get to the point where you don't believe that, find someone who will help you understand it. It could be a matter of life and death!

rileydog22 wrote: Never even crosses my mind.  We only get, say, 70 or 80 years (maybe even a few more if we're lucky!) on this planet, and then its all over.  It strikes me as so ludicrously stupid to take your own life that I can't even find strong enough words to describe it.

For your sake, let's hope you never find the thoughts strong enough to justify it. Those most vulnerable are those who take the possibility the lightest - "It could never happen to me ... until the bullet hits the bone ..."

debrewguy wrote: Peter wrote:   Frank Zappa - Suicide Chump You say there ain't no use in livin' It's all a waste of time 'N you wanna throw your life away, well People that's just fine Go head on 'n get it over with then Find you a bridge 'n take a jump Just make sure you do it right the first time 'Cause nothin's worse than a Suicide Chump You say there ain't no light a-shinin' Through the bushes up ahead 'N we're all gonna be so sorry When we find out you are dead Go head on and get it over with then Find you a bridge 'n take a jump Just make sure you do it right the first time 'Cause nothin's worse than a Suicide Chump Now maybe you're scared of jumpin' 'N poison makes you sick 'N you want a little attention 'N you need it pretty quick Don't wanna mess your face up Or we won't know if it's you Aw, there's just so much to worry about Now what you gonna do? Go head on 'n get it over with then Go head on 'n get it over with then Go head on 'n get it over with then Go head on 'n get it over with then Ya know, sometimes Zappa had his head up his ass when it came to putting his beliefs out there. In this case here, he could probably see his esophagus. OF course, he died of lung cancer. Not bad for a non-druggie. If you don't count nicotine as a drug, which apparently his self righteous ass didn't think so.

Actually, Zappa died of PROSTATE cancer. 

Melomaniac wrote: Lucent wrote: I love how over half of the people who voted on this thread are a bunch of emo kids. Funny you should write that, as you're the only one who wrote in this thread that is unuder 18 years of age (at least in the 4th page)...   Just a few words of caution, newbie : don't insult too many people here, especially if you have not been insulted in the first place.

P.S. You may want to add that Alcohol is more often a factor in Suicides than Depression. Talk about your surprising risk factors, eh.

Visitor13 wrote: Pardon the graphic description, but if I was lying somehere near my crashed car on a side road at night with my bones broken and intestines strewn about, I would definitely consider suicide a good thing. And believe me, there are ways of making even the toughest people feel suicidal.

Just as there are ways of making the weakest people feel strong. NEVER EVER EVER FORGET THAT IF THERE IS ONE PERSON IN THIS WORLD, EVEN ON THE OFF CHANCE THAT ONE PERSON WOULD BE AFFECTED BY YOUR SUICIDE, YOU MUST THINK OF THAT. NOT BECAUSE THE OTHER PERSON'S FEELINGS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOURS, BUT BECAUSE YOUR LIFE, YOUR BEING ALIVE, MEANS SOMETHING TO SOMEONE ELSE.
Caps unlocked, heart closes up again. Please, life is a long road. The stretch you're on today is no indication of what may come down the road.

Peter wrote:   Frank Zappa - Suicide Chump You say there ain't no use in livin' It's all a waste of time 'N you wanna throw your life away, well People that's just fine Go head on 'n get it over with then Find you a bridge 'n take a jump Just make sure you do it right the first time 'Cause nothin's worse than a Suicide Chump You say there ain't no light a-shinin' Through the bushes up ahead 'N we're all gonna be so sorry When we find out you are dead Go head on and get it over with then Find you a bridge 'n take a jump Just make sure you do it right the first time 'Cause nothin's worse than a Suicide Chump Now maybe you're scared of jumpin' 'N poison makes you sick 'N you want a little attention 'N you need it pretty quick Don't wanna mess your face up Or we won't know if it's you Aw, there's just so much to worry about Now what you gonna do? Go head on 'n get it over with then Go head on 'n get it over with then Go head on 'n get it over with then Go head on 'n get it over with then

Ya know, sometimes Zappa had his head up his ass when it came to putting his beliefs out there. In this case here, he could probably see his esophagus.
OF course, he died of lung cancer. Not bad for a non-druggie. If you don't count nicotine as a drug, which apparently his self righteous ass didn't think so.

schizoid_man77 wrote: Never ever   Yeah, I get in some trouble, and I may get into some arguments with people I love, but suicide will never be a solution I would ever consider to get rid of some pain.   unless I lived in seatle...

Peter wrote: Go head on 'n get it over with then

It sounds so easy, but let me see you try

Yes it crossed my mind a lot of times and many of those times pretty seriously, but I doubt I'll ever have the guts! Either way I'll first post a message here so till then feel safe about my well being...

I will confess to feeling the desire to run from my current life to make a new life at times.

Never crossed my mind.