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Oh come on 'prog-chick' your arguements are going in circles. Please tell me how you or anyone you know is directly affected by file sharing, and please elaborate on how it is stealing. File sharing gets lesser known bands names out there, people hear the MP3's and buy the cds. I know this because i do it alot. I download a CD, love it and i go and buy it. Do you think i would have bought that CD on the album cover alone? Or maybe i could go check out my local "prog scene"?

You certainly have strong views on this, but if you realised how much file sharing has done for music im sure youd change your mind.

Just to fill you in - record companies take a VAST majority of their bands record sale profit, so the artists dont even see this money that is supposedly being stolen. Whos the theif here?

prog-chick wrote: does that make it morally right to steal? or does it just make you feel clever? what do you do for a living? would you do it for free, knowing that someone else was making a profit out of your work.................... I think NOT!

Excuse me but if it wasnt for "stealing" i wouldnt own a quarter of the albums i do now. I've said it so many times before but i guess i have to repeat it: music sharing is the best thing to happen to music in years. I dont care if Lars Ulrich cant afford his new gold plated ferrari the fact is bands who would otherwise be swept under the rug forever are getting their due praise. Do you think Comus - First Utterance would be getting the recognition it does now if it wasnt for the internet? I LOVE buying CD's but i also love hearing them before i fork out my money for them. Face it, the only people who lose money from file sharing is huge record companies, and i dont have a lick of sympathy for them.

 

And yes, i feel pretty clever.

 

 

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smell spam??? I have strong beliefs for sure, but I don't think thats so wrong.

I could always sweep the issue under the carpet and watch the music I love disapear...........thats sticking my head in the sand, I think "spam" is preferential don't you?

being a student is something I remember, I also remember not being able to buy all the vinyl I wanted.......... but hey, where's the rush? I am still collecting albums now that I have yearned for for years!

No one (much) shares files that are the same quality as CD. MP3 throws away at least half of the information even in the best possible circumstances, and they're generally less useful. I don't try and justify sharing music, because of course it is illegal, but on the other hand when I have some money I will buy all the hard copies I can. Right now I'm a student..!

I agree, in "the old days" we all copied a mates vinyl onto cassette, but 9 times out of 10 we bought the vinyl when the cash came our way cos the quality was so poor, also if I bought a record, I might make maybe 2 copies, for friends, now I understand the'whats the difference' argument, the difference is this- a cd obtained either legally or illegally can be uploaded onto the net and shared with literally THOUSANDS of people without imparing the quality, and as that quality is so good, and folk are slamming them onto their pod they think "hey, I got this album on my pod, why buy a cd copy to gather dust?" and they sometimes go on to think, "great album, I will see if I can download more of this bands stuff" usually of course revisiting sites of dubious lagal and moral ethics.

Big Difference.

It's especially a big difference when you are PAYING for a download, even if it is as cheap as chips, you are still paying someone OTHER than the artist for the music.

I know of one band who's new album had been copied from advance promo's and was being sold as a download 3 weeks before the release........... abuse of trust from those who were lucky enough to recieve a promo, and untold damage to the band. I personally know of nearly a hundred people who downloaded this album before the release, if I know that many, then there must be many more, lets say its ten fold.......... ok a thousand albums might not seem to add up to a whole pile of beans, but it does make a huge difference believe me! and this was all BEFORE the release.

UNETHICAL, IMMORAL, ILLEGAL, & UNJUST.

Because we now have the world at our finger tips there is a section in society that want it all NOW, way back in the days of vinyl, I remember waiting to buy an album,(as a teen this would mean extra chores for the cash, or saving my meagre pennies!) collecting that record from the store, and boy the anticipation added SO much to the excitment, to the whole EVENT that was buying a record.

Call me old fashioned, (you wont be the first) but I would rather wait for something, than steal it!

Downloading might be a great thing for the big names, but for the smaller independant labels it is a slow and painful death, most of these guys do put some stuff on their own sites, it is to incourage you to buy it, not to go searching for the russian mafia to buy it from.

I read over and over again on this (and other proggie forums) folk lamenting the almost underground nature of our beloved music, stop downloading and I think you will be surprised and how many albums are sold, and the increase in profile of prog. Unless of course you wish to keep it underground in an elitist fashion? The downloaders being the master to the musician who is an unwitting servant?

And remember, it is not until you are prepared to ply your trade for free, knowing someone else is making money from it, so that you lay awake at night in fear and darkness becuase the mortgage can't get paid, the debts are buliding with the knowledge of such injustice........ when you are prepared to do this yourself, then it might be considered acceptable for you to download. But until I then, pay up, and stop reaping the benefits of great music for free!

Crazy crazy crazy!

(the "you" I referred to in this post is not meant to be a specific person, so chill ok!)

PCx

prog-chick wrote: does that make it morally right to steal? or does it just make you feel clever? what do you do for a living? would you do it for free, knowing that someone else was making a profit out of your work.................... I think NOT!

Things are really tight here in the UK.

In the University where I study they don't even let us use skype!

Now what's that? Illegal....? Maybe....

Making money by suggesting you UK telephony companies....? MAYBE.....

File Sharing is legal in Canada.

I know personally of bands being ripped off (badly) by this (particular russian) site. Please avoid it!

A lot of bands do have downloads on their sites, or even allow tracks to be used by sites such as this one.

Other than that, isn't that what we have these discussions for, to exchange info? I know we have different opinons (just check the MV thread!) but generally, you get to know who here has similar tastes to your own and from personal experience I havn't bought a 'turkey' yet after reccomendations from PA when I read the reviews from folk with taste similar to my own!

 (big hoorah for PA!)

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Vompatti wrote: Are you sure it's legal? It's Russian.  It is "sort of legal" ... IN RUSSIA.

Mike, but those people sell those songs without sharing the royalties to the musicians right? How can be legal, then?


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