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 Posted: April 17 2008 at 15:01 |
 Avantgardehead wrote:
I don't see anything progressive (or metal) about NIN or industrial music in general. The addition of industrial wouldn't really benefit the site, in my opinion...
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when you say industrial are you referring to stuff like NiN, Skinny Puppy, etc.? all that dance-oriented music grew out of very experimental music from the end of the seventies.
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The T
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Posted: April 17 2008 at 14:57 |
Squonkman wrote:
certainly I would think they would find a home somewhere among the 372 prog metal categories here. Maybe they aren't "black" or "death" enough. If they throw in a few more Satan references in their next release, they'll have a groundswell of support from the black shirt wearing crowd. |
It's funny how it's usually the "metal is satan's music" people who act the most stupidly..... it turns out that most metallers here in PA are among the calmer members....
By the way, maybe you're a little ignorant, black metal is nihilistic and, yes, satanic in a way. Which doesn't mean people that listen to it go and kill their families. It's just an element of the music, of the lyrics. As much as death was originally an element of death metal. But it's a whole thing. You can't just throw satan in the mix and you have metal.... throw metal music and you have metal..
EDIT: And, by the way, to comment about the thread and not about that little nonsense post, NIN I think is not prog metal at all... It's just industrial; rock with some elements of other genres.. may be creative, I don't like it but it may be better than I think.. but it's not prog.
If you (you Squonkman) think that everyhting that doesn't fit into any other category can go into prog metal, well... anything devoid of character that is... maybe YOU can fit then!
Oh my God, you've also said "Steven Wilson recognizes NIN as influence"... great point.... we follow that logic and we'll have all the "satanists" here in PA, as all of them have influenced bands like Dt... or we may have Elvis, Bach, Mozart, Sinatra.....
Edited by The T - April 17 2008 at 15:04
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stonebeard
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Posted: April 17 2008 at 14:29 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Y'all need to check out Ghosts.
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Definitely the stuff I like most from him. Still, man, I think we should probably put limits on the kinds of electronic music we let in here. Face it, Aphex Twin has a lot of stuff that could be construed as having progressive qualities, but in context, it's just not right to have him here. I think the same applies to NIN because of Ghosts.
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: April 17 2008 at 14:23 |
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I don't see anything progressive (or metal) about NIN or industrial music in general. The addition of industrial wouldn't really benefit the site, in my opinion...
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http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: April 17 2008 at 13:39 |
Squonkman wrote:
certainly I would think they would find a home somewhere among the 372 prog metal categories here. Maybe they aren't "black" or "death" enough. If they throw in a few more Satan references in their next release, they'll have a groundswell of support from the black shirt wearing crowd. |
Speaking as a member here and not in an admin capacity you are really starting to get under my skin.
I don't like being labelled as a Satanist because I love metal.I am 42 years old,a military vet and also a combat veteran,am a family man and am also a Christian.
So don't go stereotyping me or anyone else on this site because we like metal.
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Squonkman
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Posted: April 17 2008 at 13:21 |
Philéas wrote:
Prog Related wouldn't really do any harm, but I'd prefer if we kept NIN out. Great band though. |
Steven Wilson of Porcupine Tree cites NIN as a big influence and you can hear it in their music for sure.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: April 17 2008 at 13:16 |
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Y'all need to check out Ghosts.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Philéas
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Posted: April 17 2008 at 13:15 |
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Prog Related wouldn't really do any harm, but I'd prefer if we kept NIN out. Great band though.
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Squonkman
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Posted: April 17 2008 at 13:04 |
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certainly I would think they would find a home somewhere among the 372 prog metal categories here. Maybe they aren't "black" or "death" enough. If they throw in a few more Satan references in their next release, they'll have a groundswell of support from the black shirt wearing crowd.
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stonebeard
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Posted: April 17 2008 at 11:58 |
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Nope.
Deport him to Siberia.
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fabien
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Posted: April 17 2008 at 11:56 |
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what??? hummmm black sabbath and the beatles are in the archive venom why would they?? And those bands are rock!!! more rock(venom is metal of course) than genesis lol
About SOAD it's not progressive metal, clearly but could be prog related.
Nine Inch Nails is an indus rock band with some prog elements, doing sometimes prog metal, and they should be in the prog related list it's more obvious!
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goose
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Posted: November 27 2005 at 09:31 |
Logos wrote:
Venom |
whaaaat?! 
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Logos
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Posted: November 26 2005 at 17:05 |
Also; they sound nothing like Yes, Genesis or Camel, which is the criteria for inclusion according to one great mind on this forum. 
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Peace Frog
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Posted: November 26 2005 at 13:48 |
I don't think this is the right place for Nine Inch Nails. Trent Reznor is a genius writer, with all his insightful, deep lyrics, and the sometimes spacey music, with prog elements, but I just don't think NIN belongs here.
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Logos
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Posted: November 26 2005 at 13:32 |
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^ No one in their right mind can deny that SoaD is progressive .. but this is a PROG ROCK site, so the inclusion would not be entirely justified.
If this were a PROGRESSIVE MUSIC site, bands like The Beatles, Black Sabbath, Venom (and System of a Down) would be here. But that is not the case.
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: November 26 2005 at 11:18 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
Gianthogweed wrote:
I don't see what the big deal is. Why can't it be possible for a band to be labeled under more than one genre? Yes NIN is Industrial, but he also has explored prog metal quite a bit. There's a lot of classical influence in his music. I don't think there's a reason not to add him.
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Because they aren't prog!!!!!!!!!!!!
All these people wanting to add NIN,System of a Down and Soundgarden(yes,friggin Soundagarden!!!!!),all bands that I like btw,literally makes me want to vomit.
I like all prog,I like modern prog,I LOVE prog metal...but this is too much.
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I still don't understand why You don't want to let Soad in here... I can't see what You see thats wrong bout them... Or why are they not progressive... Well.. everyone has his own way of describing prog...
And that Soundgarden thing is over
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: November 26 2005 at 11:16 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
Ed_The_Dead wrote:
Ekzodo wrote:
Another similar band is "A perfect circle" great TUNES, hope they arrived someday to Argentina
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Well, they have split up some time ago...
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Ummm......no they haven't
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Maynard is back with Tool... So don't expect a APC album in the near future... 
Although I still like Tool better!
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: November 26 2005 at 10:17 |
Gianthogweed wrote:
I don't see what the big deal is. Why can't it be possible for a band to be labeled under more than one genre? Yes NIN is Industrial, but he also has explored prog metal quite a bit. There's a lot of classical influence in his music. I don't think there's a reason not to add him.
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Because they aren't prog!!!!!!!!!!!!
All these people wanting to add NIN,System of a Down and Soundgarden(yes,friggin Soundagarden!!!!!),all bands that I like btw,literally makes me want to vomit.
I like all prog,I like modern prog,I LOVE prog metal...but this is too much.
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Fantômas
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Posted: November 26 2005 at 10:11 |
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And above all, is punk 
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Gianthogweed
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Posted: November 26 2005 at 02:24 |
I don't see what the big deal is. Why can't it be possible for a band to be labeled under more than one genre? Yes NIN is Industrial, but he also has explored prog metal quite a bit. There's a lot of classical influence in his music. I don't think there's a reason not to add him.
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