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UncleMeat 
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 Posted: November 12 2005 at 14:50 |
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I know a lot of highly intelligent people who do not like prog music at
all but are more in to Punk, Jazz, Classical, soul or even R&B. And
some of them really hate prog musicians for finding themselves so very
interesting.
And I also know a lot of intelligent people liking other music, like for example Kaiser Chiefs, Franz Ferdinand or Bloc Party.
And are we saying here that women in general have a lower IQ then men?
Prog lovers are more often men than women! (The last prog-concert I saw
was 80% male, 20% women).
So all in all, I think the idea that Prog lovers have a higher IQ than people liking other music is not true.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 14:50 |
Well online IQ tests fail because of that you get an unlimted amount of time to do it...and also they just get into very few of the subjects that should be touched...
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watch_maker
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 14:17 |
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prog fans - not inteligent, just using their inteliugence here
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kirklott
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 14:03 |
 Harry Hood wrote:
I did rush through it, but only the mental math problems. I knew I wasn't going to get any of them, because I can't do mental math. So, if I actually took my time with it, my score would be a lot lower. |
Well a lot of historical figures, from Edison to Einstein to Lincoln and many others, were considered poor students, and either kicked out school or came close.
So perhaps you're in good company.
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"Progressive rock is the key to the continuance of human evolution." - Charles Darwin
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Harry Hood
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 13:45 |
kirklott wrote:
Harry Hood wrote:
I just took that IQ test, and my score was 92.
I'm barely not retarded, but even I can appreciate progressive music.
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I don't believe you.
And even if you did, you rushed because I only gave you that link a few moments ago.
And even if you did, the online tests are considered by many wildly inaccurate.
And even if you did, IQ tests in general are considered highly flawed.
And even if your IQ is 92, that's nowhere near retarded, and in fact is pretty close to average.
And even if your IQ is 92, IQ tests focus on almost entirely on logic etc., as opposed to other forms of intelligence ranging from social intelligence to the arts.
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I did rush through it, but only the mental math problems. I knew I wasn't going to get any of them, because I can't do mental math. So, if I actually took my time with it, my score would be a lot lower.
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kirklott
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 12:50 |
Damen wrote:
I have a 167 IQ and i'm a member of Mensa, so maybe. |
If your IQ is above 160, I believe you can upgrade to The Prometheus Society. I wouldn't qualify, but my son would.
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"Progressive rock is the key to the continuance of human evolution." - Charles Darwin
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kirklott
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 12:43 |
Man With Hat wrote:
I dont think so.
There are alot of stupid people out there, chances are some of them like prog.
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Well, more people voted for Bush than listen to prog. I think that says something. I'm not sure what, but I'm pretty sure it says something. 
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"Progressive rock is the key to the continuance of human evolution." - Charles Darwin
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kirklott
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 12:40 |
Damen wrote:
I have a 167 IQ and i'm a member of Mensa, so maybe. |
If your IQ is 167, you should be in the Prometheus Society instead of Mensa. I wouldn't qualify, but my son would.
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"Progressive rock is the key to the continuance of human evolution." - Charles Darwin
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kirklott
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 12:37 |
Harry Hood wrote:
I just took that IQ test, and my score was 92.
I'm barely not retarded, but even I can appreciate progressive music.
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I don't believe you.
And even if you did, you rushed because I only gave you that link a few moments ago.
And even if you did, the online tests are considered by many wildly inaccurate.
And even if you did, IQ tests in general are considered highly flawed.
And even if your IQ is 92, that's nowhere near retarded, and in fact is pretty close to average.
And even if your IQ is 92, IQ tests focus on almost entirely on logic etc., as opposed to other forms of intelligence ranging from social intelligence to the arts.
Edited by kirklott
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"Progressive rock is the key to the continuance of human evolution." - Charles Darwin
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Harry Hood
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 12:37 |
Man With Hat wrote:
I dont think so.
There are alot of stupid people out there, chances are some of them like prog.
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I'm one of them! Woohoo!
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Damen
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 12:35 |
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I have a 167 IQ and i'm a member of Mensa, so maybe.
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"It's amazing that we've been able to put up with each other for 35 years. Most marriages don't last that long these days."
-Chris Squire
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Man With Hat
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 12:34 |
I dont think so.
There are alot of stupid people out there, chances are some of them like prog.
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I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
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Harry Hood
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 12:26 |
I just took that IQ test, and my score was 92.
I'm barely not retarded, but even I can appreciate progressive music.
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kirklott
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 12:17 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Have not read this eltist thread, |
Just curious, but how can you call this thread elitist is you haven't read it? That's sort of politically-correct, knee-jerk dogma, isn't it?
It's interesting, but I've started some possibly inflamatory off-topic threads in this newsgroup (such as Did Bush dupe Christians?) which have lead to intelligent, respectful, and thoughtful discourse.
On the other hand, this thread is more difficult. We've all been taught since day one it's ok for someone to say he or she is mentally challenged or tall or overweight or have green hair or whatever.
But it's very, very naughty to say you're smart. Which is really quite stupid.
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kirklott
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 12:09 |
little_neutrino wrote:
My point is there is no point! The only thing this kind of argument seems to do is bring out the elitist in us.
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This is non-sense. You're simply falling prey to the worst kind of politically-correct dogma.
Whereas you would say it's OK for me to say "I'm 20 pounds overweight," you would say it's not OK for me to say "I'm mentally gifted."
Why is it OK for people to classify themselves "mentally disabled," but not "mentally gifted." That's why schools dump $ BILLIONS into helping the disabled, but very littled into challenging the gifted (who, btw, are the future leaders, engineers, etc., whom we will call upon to solve the world's imminent problems. Unfortunately gifted children have a high drop out rate because they aren't challenged.) This is the nightmare scenario that characters always face in Ayn Rand's books.
Slow down for a moment, avoid the PC knee-jerk reaction, and put some thought into what this thread is about. This thread is not about whether you're "smart" because you listen to prog. The thread is about whether the type of people who are drawn to prog music today are often mentally gifted (which, btw, can be up to 25% of a school class). For reasons outlined in this thread, I believe a-higher-than-average number of prog fans are bright. And if you're mentally gifted, you should be proud instead of being embarrassed.
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kirklott
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 11:47 |
CaptainWafflos wrote:
kirklott wrote:
However, even the informal online tests can be somewhat accurate - I took one once, at it exactly matched the two formal ones I've taken. |
Out of curiosity, which online test did you take?
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I think it's the one below. It took about 30 minutes, and it was fun and the questions actually got pretty challenging toward the end.
http://www.iqtest.com/
The fact that my results were dead accurate could be coincidence.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 11:36 |
little_neutrino wrote:
For one, I don't think anyone has mentioned even once on this thread the issue of social intelligence. You can have logical, linguistic, mathematical, and several other kinds of intelligence in spades and lack everything about social intelligence. Perfect example being the stereotypical science geek or engineer.
My point is there is no point! The only thing this kind of argument seems to do is bring out the elitist in us.
Y'know, there is an incredibly intelligent guy I go to school with who is amazing at Physics. He listens to a blend of classical music and mainstream rap/hip-hop. I'm talking 50 Cent here.
There is another incredibly intelligent guy I go to school with who is amazing at math and programming. He listens to pop. Like Mariah Carey (she of the famous thread), Britney, Celine Dion, Black Eyed Peas, etc.
Then there's me, who can't do physics worth crap (the only reason I'm still in the program is because you get by with a little help from your friends), who has to memorise how to do calculus problems, who dies a little on the inside every time she has a programming assignment, and who listens to classic 70's prog. Go figure.
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Social intelligence is for the dweebs that does not got the proper intellligence 
BUT! you dont have to be really intelligent to get on with maths and physics really since these subjects is built on a set of rules and as long as you know them it is quite simple.
So you cant really say they are higly intelligent until they have been tested properly. (Remember math is just one of 7 subjects in an intelligent test )
Remember ever Albert Einstein was really crap at school, but the point is...the prog fans have USUALLY an higer average IQ that the rest of the population 
I know this becuase of the many intelligent discussions and the general knowledge in language that random members can show.
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little_neutrino
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 11:20 |
For one, I don't think anyone has mentioned even once on this thread the issue of social intelligence. You can have logical, linguistic, mathematical, and several other kinds of intelligence in spades and lack everything about social intelligence. Perfect example being the stereotypical science geek or engineer.
My point is there is no point! The only thing this kind of argument seems to do is bring out the elitist in us.
Y'know, there is an incredibly intelligent guy I go to school with who is amazing at Physics. He listens to a blend of classical music and mainstream rap/hip-hop. I'm talking 50 Cent here.
There is another incredibly intelligent guy I go to school with who is amazing at math and programming. He listens to pop. Like Mariah Carey (she of the famous thread), Britney, Celine Dion, Black Eyed Peas, etc.
Then there's me, who can't do physics worth crap (the only reason I'm still in the program is because you get by with a little help from your friends), who has to memorise how to do calculus problems, who dies a little on the inside every time she has a programming assignment, and who listens to classic 70's prog. Go figure.
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Pafnutij
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 10:15 |
i iz stoopid
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Sean Trane
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Posted: November 12 2005 at 06:32 |
Have not read this eltist thread, but ever since there is a group that usurped this name with derivative music , I always knew that progheads were definitely not more worthy humans just because of their music tastes!
No offence meant , but took a good look at yourselves before having to judge others who are into different music styles. This would mean that the Jazz Purists and Classical nutheads would have even higher IQ than progheads! 
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
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