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Not really. Maybe on a higher abstraction level.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I continue to have great conversations, in person (remember talking to people face to face LOL), at record stores about music. The best conversations happen at record fairs, as well finding some great deals, doing business in person.

But hey I do buy online as well, just the nature of this krapp world we live in. Time for lunch here, broccoli and chocolate milk sounds good today.
Yes, there are two record stores I like a lot here and both are staffed with knowledgeable people. I look forward to going to these stores and having discussions about music with whoever is there. Also, I get a lot of my records by trading in albums I already have and don't want anymore, you can't do that online.
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^ of course the music is the most important however going to a top class record store is like going to a museum and an amusement park at the same time

My store for example has employee picked music playing at all times, live bands and sections of employee recommended rarities

Fast turnover allows many out of print items to percolate in

The experience is multidimensional

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I continue to have great conversations, in person (remember talking to people face to face LOL), at record stores about music. The best conversations happen at record fairs, as well finding some great deals, doing business in person.

But hey I do buy online as well, just the nature of this krapp world we live in. Time for lunch here, broccoli and chocolate milk sounds good today.
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^ The hubris … lol. Sure, call me a w**ker or worse, I don’t care. The music still matters most to me, not the plastic discs, nor the promotional material, nor the stores.
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Going to a record store, large or small is nothing short of Disneyland for us music lovers. I've been to Amoeba in Berkeley and in LA. I mainly hit up the independent stores as they tend to focus on certain genres rather than everything, the fun is finding those stores.

Shopping online is worse than a dry hump.....
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^ sadly if you get outside of the largest urban areas music stores are almost completely extinct

Even here in the Bay Area almost all of the music stores are gone except a very few hold outs and a handful of specialty stores

Rent is simply too much

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by Floret Floret wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ Haven't been at a record store for 15 years ... but it does not surprise me that the few remaining ones focus on the prog community. 
I also don't go to record stores for a long time. Why would I go to a record store if I could order records online? Personally, I see the purpose of record stores nowadays only when a record store is combined with a café and, possibly, live music.


Why would you go to a record store these days? Well for the experience of course!

There's nothing like going to a large music store and seeing rows and rows of albums, CDs, videos and other music related books, T-shirts etc.

In San Francisco they have the best one in the Bay Area called Amoeba Records. They sell both new and used. Believe it or not it's often CHEAPER to buy a used CD at this store than it is to order online. By the time you add postage and handling. It's also very satisfying to peruse a record store and discover something randomly that you would never encounter with a more focused online shopping approach.

Of course you can't find everything at a record store any longer so ordering online is still a part of the overall equation but i have to keep myself from going to that particular store because i will spend $100 minimum if i even step in. Likewise we have another Amoeba in Berkeley and several Rasputin Records of the same used / new music style in several Bay Area cities.

I vaguely remember Tower Records and just the magnanimous nature of going to that store was magical.

 Absolutely.....there are 4 record stores just in my local area and I visit them monthly. Meeting people and discussing music as well as hunting for old vinyl is great fun.
And many more in Chicago near me.
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Originally posted by Floret Floret wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by Floret Floret wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ Haven't been at a record store for 15 years ... but it does not surprise me that the few remaining ones focus on the prog community. 
I also don't go to record stores for a long time. Why would I go to a record store if I could order records online? Personally, I see the purpose of record stores nowadays only when a record store is combined with a café and, possibly, live music.


Why would you go to a record store these days? Well for the experience of course!

There's nothing like going to a large music store and seeing rows and rows of albums, CDs, videos and other music related books, T-shirts etc.

In San Francisco they have the best one in the Bay Area called Amoeba Records. They sell both new and used. Believe it or not it's often CHEAPER to buy a used CD at this store than it is to order online. By the time you add postage and handling. It's also very satisfying to peruse a record store and discover something randomly that you would never encounter with a more focused online shopping approach.

Of course you can't find everything at a record store any longer so ordering online is still a part of the overall equation but i have to keep myself from going to that particular store because i will spend $100 minimum if i even step in. Likewise we have another Amoeba in Berkeley and several Rasputin Records of the same used / new music style in several Bay Area cities.

I vaguely remember Tower Records and just the magnanimous nature of going to that store was magical.








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^ nothing remotely like that where I live(d). 😊
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by Floret Floret wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ Haven't been at a record store for 15 years ... but it does not surprise me that the few remaining ones focus on the prog community. 
I also don't go to record stores for a long time. Why would I go to a record store if I could order records online? Personally, I see the purpose of record stores nowadays only when a record store is combined with a café and, possibly, live music.


Why would you go to a record store these days? Well for the experience of course!

There's nothing like going to a large music store and seeing rows and rows of albums, CDs, videos and other music related books, T-shirts etc.

In San Francisco they have the best one in the Bay Area called Amoeba Records. They sell both new and used. Believe it or not it's often CHEAPER to buy a used CD at this store than it is to order online. By the time you add postage and handling. It's also very satisfying to peruse a record store and discover something randomly that you would never encounter with a more focused online shopping approach.

Of course you can't find everything at a record store any longer so ordering online is still a part of the overall equation but i have to keep myself from going to that particular store because i will spend $100 minimum if i even step in. Likewise we have another Amoeba in Berkeley and several Rasputin Records of the same used / new music style in several Bay Area cities.

I vaguely remember Tower Records and just the magnanimous nature of going to that store was magical.
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by Floret Floret wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ Haven't been at a record store for 15 years ... but it does not surprise me that the few remaining ones focus on the prog community. 
I also don't go to record stores for a long time. Why would I go to a record store if I could order records online? Personally, I see the purpose of record stores nowadays only when a record store is combined with a café and, possibly, live music.


Why would you go to a record store these days? Well for the experience of course!

There's nothing like going to a large music store and seeing rows and rows of albums, CDs, videos and other music related books, T-shirts etc.
Yes to all of that. I've practially stopped ordering online - except the occational order from some place in own country. Shipping/custums has gotten so expensive that it's MUCH cheaper to find whatever at a record store - or at record fairs. Which obviously is a little more random. I always find plenty I need to bring home though. Whenever I'm travelling I always end up buying at least a dozen albums from the stores in whichever city I've been to.
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^ I'm not sure what attitude everyone is referring to. What was an attitude in the late 60s and 70s is now an entire universe of different attitudes and different approaches. I'm almost confident that the prog of Gorguts or Ruins is quite different than that of King Crimson or Yes. Prog is not defined by attitude but by a series of complexities that elevate it above and beyond the "normal" rock genres.

That would mean there are attitudes and sub-attitudes Geek



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The only attitude I get from prog is this:



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Originally posted by Floret Floret wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ Haven't been at a record store for 15 years ... but it does not surprise me that the few remaining ones focus on the prog community. 
I also don't go to record stores for a long time. Why would I go to a record store if I could order records online? Personally, I see the purpose of record stores nowadays only when a record store is combined with a café and, possibly, live music.


Why would you go to a record store these days? Well for the experience of course!

There's nothing like going to a large music store and seeing rows and rows of albums, CDs, videos and other music related books, T-shirts etc.

In San Francisco they have the best one in the Bay Area called Amoeba Records. They sell both new and used. Believe it or not it's often CHEAPER to buy a used CD at this store than it is to order online. By the time you add postage and handling. It's also very satisfying to peruse a record store and discover something randomly that you would never encounter with a more focused online shopping approach.

Of course you can't find everything at a record store any longer so ordering online is still a part of the overall equation but i have to keep myself from going to that particular store because i will spend $100 minimum if i even step in. Likewise we have another Amoeba in Berkeley and several Rasputin Records of the same used / new music style in several Bay Area cities.

I vaguely remember Tower Records and just the magnanimous nature of going to that store was magical.

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Damn! You must be really old then. xd And I thought I was old! xD I've been to a record store.... once. Around 2008. I was looking to buy a movie on DVD. That store is gone now. And DVDs are slowly being ruled out in favor of streaming and VoD. :(
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ Haven't been at a record store for 15 years ... but it does not surprise me that the few remaining ones focus on the prog community. 
I also don't go to record stores for a long time. Why would I go to a record store if I could order records online? Personally, I see the purpose of record stores nowadays only when a record store is combined with a café and, possibly, live music.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

In the record stores I remember from the 90s/2000s in Germany, none had a Prog section. It was Rock/Pop, Metal, Jazz and Classical music.
I'm old, and I recall a time when there was no internet and no tags on pages like Bandcamp. The record stores did not separate bands by subgenre; indeed, only sections such as "rock," "jazz," and "classical music" were used in the ancient record stores.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

In the record stores I remember from the 90s/2000s in Germany, none had a Prog section. It was Rock/Pop, Metal, Jazz and Classical music.
I suppose it's become more normal in the last 15 years or so. But I'm surprised at how seemingly alone I am in experiencing that Prog-sections - either in comination with Psych/Kraut etc... or alone - as quite common.
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In the record stores I remember from the 90s/2000s in Germany, none had a Prog section. It was Rock/Pop, Metal, Jazz and Classical music.
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