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Cristi 
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Yes, they do, haven't we just established that?!
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MikeEnRegalia
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Yes, I think we also need to distinguish concept albums from (barely) "themed" albums. The Star One releases are perfect examples of themed albums. All the tracks have a common theme (Sci-Fi movies), but there is no storyline connecting them. Of course it is debatable on a semantic level whether all concepts need to have a storyline ...
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Posted: February 08 2024 at 05:57 |
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Would one consider Magma's many opus' as rock operas?
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Jared
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Posted: February 08 2024 at 05:16 |
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The band I often think about in this regard is Therion, whose music from Theli onwards was often quite Operatic in style, but when they did a full blown Opera, Beloved Antichrist, it was an absolute bore-fest; one disk (of edited highlights) would have been plenty!
I think my fave (if you can call it such) would have been Vanden Plas' Abydos project... really was a great album.
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Cristi
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Posted: February 08 2024 at 05:14 |
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Incoherent story?! Totally disagree here. An incoherent story will make the whole album flawed, lacking any kind of flow, which is essential to a concept album. Mike has cleared up the difference, it makes sense.
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: February 08 2024 at 05:10 |
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Another Rock Opera favourite...
Epica - We Will Take You With Us - including a mention (in Dutch) at the beginning for Tony Blair - although probably not in a good way, bearing in mind this video is from 2004 in the wake of the disastrous Anglo-American invasion of Iraq.  Edited by Psychedelic Paul - February 08 2024 at 05:17 |
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Posted: February 08 2024 at 04:53 |
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RYM's definition says: "A hybrid of rock and, sometimes, musical theatre stylings with heavily rock-tinged songs combining to tell a coherent story. " So I'd say, the difference is that concept albums don't have to tell a coherent story like Rock Opera albums are supposed to. |
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 08 2024 at 04:51 |
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BTW: One of my favorite rock operas of all time: Kevin Gilbert - The Shaming of the True.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Agreed, never could get into Avantasia and Edguy. I tried a couple of times, but I always got *really* bored a couple of songs into the album ...
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Not a big fan of Avantasia, but I actually find it more enjoyable than Ayreon... it's fairly straightforward Symph Power Metal. It's just that he styled the first two 'The Metal Opera' and most of the ones that followed, seem to follow a similar multi-vocalist pattern. Another band who seem to have an Operatic feel to their work is Dark Sarah?
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Cristi
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Posted: February 08 2024 at 04:31 |
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I think Tobias borrowed Arjen's pattern to create concept albums. I gave his two bands a chance a little while ago, I thought they were cheesy and tedious, if that was possible.
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I only heard this record a couple weeks ago, and I can't stop listening to it, a great record, 5 stars |
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The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.
Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time... |
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Would you consider some of the Avantasia offerings to be Rock Operas?
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^^ Last weekend, I went into a charity shop and picked up a MINT CD reissue for erm... 50p
 not heard it for about 30 years, so I'll look forward to some nostalgia!
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Cristi
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Psychedelic Paul
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Top 12 Rock Operas
 2016: Ayreon - The Theatre Equation - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRPhKLgNffpwY267Kw2NOx5pBMVV7L6iJ 1999: Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mY0UJ7SdDG7n4DgXGJ_h-vG0QH9LpayaA 2004: Epica - We Will Take You With Us - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuKZKTM5dH4 1980: Olivia Newton John & ELO - Xanadu - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8Lpw39GxwbPVLo0-3N1rQL_5hMmMWowZ 2002: Tangerine Dream - Inferno (Live) - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0D001E6BCA7A454A 2004: Tangerine Dream - Purgatorio - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvFOTOUy3zGezj9JoBnRF9cxPqkUhSkr1 2006: Tangerine Dream - Paradiso - http://www.tangerinedreammusic.com/en/music/detail.asp?id=85&tit=Paradiso 1975: Rick Wakeman and the English Rock Ensemble - Live at the Empire Pool, Wembley: King Arthur on Ice - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvKmTio-XAjWqR5mj5iGwID 2003: Rick Wakeman and the New English Rock Ensemble - Out There - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lu4u9ia3dmybR8-wrmo8Psl 2012: Rick Wakeman - Journey to the Centre of the Earth - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LsBSxmCn5NIcIgf-jA0AGwS 2017: Rick Wakeman - The Phantom of the Opera - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1Lt8uOgwGQazOgvPCEZ5fHIi 1969: The Who - Tommy - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkvNP54Usc1MWWL2W-P_T49ai0ufcjfJXEdited by Psychedelic Paul - February 08 2024 at 05:14 |
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Cristi
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I know Tommy is considered a rock opera. It makes sense how you made a difference between rock operas and concept albums. A rock opera is a concept album, but a concept album is not a rock opera.
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^ The key is to take a break from listening to any good band before you suffer from over-exposure.
BTW: Listening to Tommy right now, perfectly fits my description. On wikipedia rock opera is just defined as a concept album, but it then goes on to say that "The use of various character roles within the song lyrics is a common storytelling device." Looking at all the rock operas I know, they all have one or more vocalists singing about an unfolding story involving one or more characters, including Tommy. This distinguishes it from other releases that are merely concept albums. Staying close to Ayreon, examples would be the Star One releases, which are concept/theme based but not quite rock operas.
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Cristi
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No, I will not tell you that.  But I will say that I can't stand the band anymore. |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 08 2024 at 02:56 |
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^ Would you say that the Ayreon concept albums are NOT rock operas?
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