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cstack3
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Pretty damn racist of you....
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Half of his band was.
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Not completely... There were black musicians he worked with, which is what I expect was meant. There are lots of black musicians especially in JRF that we include in PA, but I don't consider most of those acts to be what I would first call Prog -- more like music under the Prog umbrella. |
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Errrr....Stanley Clarke? Frank Zappa? Chester Thompson? Billy Cobham?? Plenty of examples of black musicians in prog!
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It IS a production choice and just happens to be "vintage" since it was established in the 70s.
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^Analog vs. Digital recording
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I feel this way. It was a moment in time. I do think there is good prog music being made now, but it is almost unlistenable with the production values prog-progmetal basically adopted in the 90s. This reverbed out 'live' sound is just awful. Wobbler, with it's in-studio sound a la Fragile, is a recent outlier at least in part because of the production. Why can't this warm, more immediate sound be seen as a production choice rather than labeled 'vintage' or whatever?
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Well, it's not our fault, us prog fans, that it's almost only white males that play prog. If some great prog music was done by women, afro americans, asians, or whomever else I would love it all the same. But I won't go listening to hip-hop just so I can listen to afro americans doing music. |
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I found a few new ones in just in the last few weeks:
Arabs In Aspic - Powerful Norwegian band very early King Crimson and early Floyd influenced, incredible artwork on their albums as well. Tauk - USA instrumental combo, their latest 36 minute album (The Equaliser) is a joy. 35 Tapes - Another Norwegian band, rich in melody, loving their latest as well.
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^I agree with this as well
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When I listen to a new prog rock band, it always feels like I found a hidden treasure. It always feels good.
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''Fashion is the cancer of music'' (Derek William Dick)
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I agree with this. especially as it applies to England, the place from which most classic prog came. At the end of the seventies, these classic prog acts had become so big that they really didn't so much need the English music press' support and gradually started distancing themselves from the main music publications like NME and Melody maker. The presses reaction at first was to start throwing support behind acts that where more willing to go along with these music publications, and ultimately to big up "punk" whilst at the same time ridiculing any perceived "dinosaurs" (industry code for musicians who make a lot of money without the help of publicity and support from the music press). It was to the music industries advantage to reduce everything to Year One and start again, with a fresh crop of pimple faced youth ready to do anything to promote whatever the hell it was they were angry about ('cause punk was all about being angry). But then, punk wasn't about music. It was a fashion statement. At one time music dictated fashion but then fashion started to dictate music. The tail was now wagging the dog and that poor hound would never be the same again (poor, confused critter). |
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Early 'classic' punk was actually quite sophisticated and not what it was being sold as. Punk was/is one of the great marketing cons of all time but then some would argue the same for 'progressive rock'.
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Thank you ermm for that. Lots of things contributed to music being what it was back in the late sixties and early seventies. More technology was available for instance and the possibilities within a recording studio greatly expanded. Pink Floyd couldn't have recorded DSOTM back in 1967 but the band were already in existence. Boomers bought a lot of records so what? Did that make prog what it was, nope. I take the point that it's a mainly a white middle class (male) occupation and that having a copy of the afore mentioned album on a coffee table back then was high couture for the man of the day. Also good that our psychic state was being fully given the gravitas it should be by good ole Rog. Our needs are paramount
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"Classic prog" only lasted a few years when the baby boomers were buying records and Progressive/Compositional Rock was considered "new" thus hip
Progressive/Compositional rock is non-commercial in general and could have become popular without the above Progressive/Compositional rock that came after it was still excellent and is probably the only rock music today still turning out innovative material because musicians want to be innovative, and they often do it part time Prog is most critically reviled music today, mostly because of the group politics Media judging the group of individuals playing it, not the music itself, where it is very politically incorrect (read bigoted) for Music being played by a significant number of Whites, Males, Europeans, Middle Class persons Prog Archives is great for discovering new bands, and Prog Radio and Youtube (except when they interrupt with commercials in the middle of the song - where I don't buy such products advertised when done) There are plenty of good dvds out there
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