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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 02 2023 at 04:24

Yeah, I'm just about finding Songs for Insects to be qualified adding to my exclusive collection, and here's a sample from this 
definitely remarkable album:


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

Another band/album from that time period, with a similar but more experimental vibe, is Thought Industry Songs for Insects (1992).
After two listenings, I find this album almost amazingly creative due to its many different influences and large complexity. Also definitely interesting, so I'll give it some more spins and see what I further think and how much I like it. Tongue

After 6 listenings, I begin to really get into and like this very complex and impressive but not easy to access work of the more early Prog Metal. 

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^ I guess so, I'm interpreting them literally Smile
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Sorry, Mike, but you interpret my posts like the devil reads the bible, and yes, I am picky and not least with the cover art.  Wink
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


Sorry for having other tastes and preferences than yours. 


You also reject recommendations for surprising reasons. "Meh - the cover art is too colorful". I mean, you could have stated up-front that you're really picky with cover art. But of course that would lead to practically zero recommendations, since nothing really fits your rigid criteria which nobody can predict. That makes it almost appear like your asking for recommendations only to then be able to criticise them.


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Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

^ I mean, it doesn't help that your original criteria was so hyper-specific. You're not really gonna find a lot of artists in such a narrow field of options like that

Most of the non-"synthetic" prog metal artists fall into prog-death or prog-thrash territory, the majority of which use harsh vocals

Also, I find it interesting that you don't want maudlin or sentimental vocals, but then put Lateralus on your list. Don't get me wrong, I love Lateralus, but it's pretty poppy/alternative-leaning for prog metal 

Thanks for this interesting input, Necrotica.

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^ I mean, it doesn't help that your original criteria was so hyper-specific. You're not really gonna find a lot of artists in such a narrow field of options like that

Most of the non-"synthetic" prog metal artists fall into prog-death or prog-thrash territory, the majority of which use harsh vocals

Also, I find it interesting that you don't want maudlin or sentimental vocals, but then put Lateralus on your list. Don't get me wrong, I love Lateralus, but it's pretty poppy/alternative-leaning for prog metal 


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Sorry for having other tastes and preferences than yours. 
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^ this seems like a really sophisticated form of trolling - have the busy helpers scramble and provide suggestions, only to reject most of them.

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Does Pain Of Salvation qualify?

Not the albums I've heard, too sentimental, and Riverside's Second Life Syndrome is on the borderline.

How are the vocals too sentimental?! What have you listened to come to such a conclusion?! Confused 

Explore the progressive metal lists and its subgenres, go to youtube and search a few titles, listen a little bit and get back to us. I don't know... Confused
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^ may I suggest you buy a microphone and record your vacuum cleaning session? Totally unique, definitely not sentimental, and no growling vocals either. Try to do funny walks, that will also take care of complex time signatures! Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Does Pain Of Salvation qualify?

Not the albums I've heard, too sentimental, and Riverside's Second Life Syndrome is on the borderline.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


This thread may so far seem to confirm my up till now experience that  albums of organic, non-Poppish and more straight Progressive 
Metal with fairly clean vocals have not been made in a very large number. 

Or some have not understood your initial post. 
Non-poppish?! What does that even mean? What kind of vocals are those?! Catchy vocals does not equal pop vocals. And what kind of pop vocals? Classic pop? Modern pop? 

Fairly clean? LOL Clean vocals but not that clean? LOL

Does Pain Of Salvation qualify? They got an amazing vocalist, and their songwriting I find excellent. 
Riverside has catchy vocals, and yet you listed an album of theirs. Confused

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This thread may so far seem to confirm my up till now experience that  albums of organic, non-Poppish and more straight Progressive 
Metal with fairly clean vocals have not been made in a very large number. 
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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

I'm not sure if my recommendation satisfies your requirements, but a favourite metal album of mine is "Crack the Skye" by Mastodon

Yes, it's about the kind I'm looking for, and it's also about to become one of the greatest Prog Metal classics, so it's very good to include it here. I can thus certainly understand your fondness of this album too, I'm afraid though that personally, I don't find it to be that good or particularly original. - But I may give it some more spins and see what I then think. It would be a nice addition to my Metal collection, even I'm not very fond of the flashy and very colourful artwork, and can't get it fit with the music. Smile


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I'm not sure if my recommendation satisfies your requirements, but a favourite metal album of mine is "Crack the Skye" by Mastodon. They are listed in PA under Tech/Extreme Prog Metal, so I guess that means they do have tracks with growling vocals. On "Crack the Skye", there is only one track with growling vocals. The vocals on the other tracks are not necessarily clean, but they are not growling. I especially love the Sabbathesque sound of a number of their tracks. The two tracks below are highlights for me:
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2023 at 14:52

^ Frankly speaking, the band name alone is too silly to me. Big smile
Edit:
Anyway, it inspired me to give King Gizzard a new listen with another album, and this one too.






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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


Can you recommend any other albums of that kind? - And please only that kind, it's important. 

I'm also curious about how many of such albums have been made.


The first I thought of match the description you wrote better thn you list of examples. King Gizzard and The Lizard Wizard's latest album PetroDragonic Apocalypse; or, Dawn of Eternal Night: An Annihilation of Planet Earth and the Beginning of Merciless Damnation is full of playful, progressive ideas and themes while  moving along rather organically - and keepin' it metal while doing so. An highly enjoyable ride (imo)
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Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

Another band/album from that time period, with a similar but more experimental vibe, is Thought Industry Songs for Insects (1992).

After two listenings, I find this album almost amazingly creative due to its many different influences and large complexity. Also definitely interesting, so I'll give it some more spins and see what I further think and how much I like it. Tongue

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2023 at 22:06

I guess, I better add that I'm looking for the "Progressive Metal" the way it's defined and labeled by RYM, and is the more straight
Prog Metal.







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