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Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

There's also an overall decline in active users here. PT's In Absentia has 2705 ratings. C/C has 301.


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I wonder if we have had "enough" of SW ... and while I do not dislike the material he does on his solo albums, I do think that C/C was not half as good as it might or should have been. I kinda think that he concentrated on the studio side of it a lot more than the music itself, causing the album to not sound as good as it could have been. 

I'm also wondering how much Colin meant to the band ... the stuff he is doing is super nice, and all of a sudden, the PT stuff is weak ... suggesting that they ended up missing a very important part of that wheel that worked together a long time.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2023 at 19:16
ToT is also my fav DT album, next would be Awake probably.........IMO they have not come close to those records in terms of creativity.
I'm not a Kevin Shirley fan, he destroys the Iron Maiden albums. I think he mixed part of SDOIT but thankfully the late and great George Marino mastered it, sounds great! On ToT Howie Weinberg mastered it and is probably Shirley's best mixing job....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote progbethyname Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2023 at 17:20
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

I wouldn't say DT has declined. Sure, their music is samey, but they are still making money, and they need to pay bills. So rock on DT.

It's the consumer's choice if they want to support any artist. And fans come and go.



Decline is a harsh word. I perhaps wouldn’t describe the difference in direction and production value in that vain.

The important thing to note is that DT have gone into different directions and some are definitely more palatable than others depending on you! The individual.

For me. I love the Train of thought album. When they went balls to the walls to create the heaviest and most relentless thing imaginable, I thought this is when they were at their best.


Of course. That is my taste. What is yours? I think this thread should be about what era or albums does one appreciate the most from Dream Theater ?

It is not a decline, but a difference in style and listener preferences.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Grumpyprogfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2023 at 17:11
I wouldn't say DT has declined. Sure, their music is samey, but they are still making money, and they need to pay bills. So rock on DT.

It's the consumer's choice if they want to support any artist. And fans come and go.
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Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

There's also an overall decline in active users here. PT's In Absentia has 2705 ratings. C/C has 301.


Yep. 
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Like most non stop artists, DT are on auto pilot. They need to step away for 5-7 years and give themselves time to recharge and look at other areas to see if they can make their music interesting again for both themselves and their fans. Perhaps changing a few players to see if that works. Not easy, but other bands have done the same.

Edited by SteveG - February 01 2023 at 16:42
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You know what guys. I could really use another Train of Thought and they hire a different producer and mixer.
I know DT have already captured that heavy spirit, but I honestly feel it is when they are at their best.
I think it is technical brilliance. Kevin “caveman” Shirley is a creative mixer, but for gods sakes don’t let him master the album. It’ll be hot. Lol.
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Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

There's also an overall decline in active users here. PT's In Absentia has 2705 ratings. C/C has 301.

I would think that's a big % of the reason.....Simply look at the top 100 albums 2022. It's very heavy to eclectic/avant garde prog. I know there is some prog metal but it seems the flavor of PA is changing or the decline has been those genre listeners are gone that loved DT, hence no reviews like Octavarium or others.

I think for DT and me, it's just been a decline in production quality and overall creativity, Petrucci as producer has not been working for me...as well I've grown bored of Rudess's playing and let's not discuss James's vocals.

Beating a dead horse, but I think they should have listened to Portnoy and took a 5yr break.
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Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

I'd say it's a matter of Dream Theater being in a holding pattern these days; they're past their point of peak relevance and significance now, so now most of their work is being consumed by the more dedicated and hardcore fans, as opposed to a wider audience. I'm not sure if I would necessarily call it a decline, as much as simply the natural peak/valley cycle of these types of bands. Same goes with Iron Maiden: most people know what to expect from a new IM album, and it's clear that they'll never release a Number of the Beast or Powerslave again, but that doesn't really deter a smaller, more dedicated crop of fans from still checking the new stuff out.

Personally, I actually thought A View from the Top of the World was Dream Theater's best record in a decade Smile


Very well said. I feel you make some pretty good points. DT are way past 1992 with their peak innovations. Honestly, I love DT but I didn’t run out and buy their latest record.
A view from the top of the World isn’t leaps and bounds different than Distance over time. I would say it is redundant, but not in a really bad way. The music is absolute quality but I’m just not in the mood for another Distance Over time.

Will call it a matter of taste.

Edited by progbethyname - February 01 2023 at 16:26
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There's also an overall decline in active users here. PT's In Absentia has 2705 ratings. C/C has 301.

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I'd say it's a matter of Dream Theater being in a holding pattern these days; they're past their point of peak relevance and significance now, so now most of their work is being consumed by the more dedicated and hardcore fans, as opposed to a wider audience. I'm not sure if I would necessarily call it a decline, as much as simply the natural peak/valley cycle of these types of bands. Same goes with Iron Maiden: most people know what to expect from a new IM album, and it's clear that they'll never release a Number of the Beast or Powerslave again, but that doesn't really deter a smaller, more dedicated crop of fans from still checking the new stuff out.

Personally, I actually thought A View from the Top of the World was Dream Theater's best record in a decade Smile


Edited by Necrotica - February 01 2023 at 14:01
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote earlyprog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2023 at 13:38
DREAM THEATER's 2021 release "A View From the Top of the World' has been rated a mere 280 times. 

More than well below their former releases and a substantial decline in ratings since the 2003 release "Octavarium" with 2160 ratings.

Why do you think?

(I seem to like the albums and tracks that others dislike such as this  )


Edited by earlyprog - February 01 2023 at 13:41
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