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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote HolyMoly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2022 at 21:44
The Sebadoh song “Gimme Indie Rock!” Is a humorous take on how punk/hardcore evolved into early 90s stuff like Nirvana, Mudhoney, Pearl Jam, etc. Basically, the punks started smoking pot and playing slower songs.
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Not sure if I've commented on this thread before (and I'm too lazy to check, lol). Anyway, here are some of my favorites:

At the Drive-In - Relationship of Command (post-hardcore)
Bad Religion - Suffer (melodic hardcore)
L7 - Bricks Are Heavy (technically grunge, but a very punk-based form of it)
Rise Against - The Sufferer and the Witness (melodic hardcore)
Off Minor - The Heat Death of the Universe (screamo, jazz punk)
Refused - The Shape of Punk to Come (post-hardcore)
Against Me! - Transgender Dysphoria Blues (punk, folk-punk)
Helmet - Strap It On (alt-metal, but with a heavy post-hardcore influence)
Big Black - Songs About f**king (post-hardcore, noise rock)
Minor Threat - Out of Step (hardcore punk)

And if we count metallic hardcore/mathcore:

The Dillinger Escape Plan - Calculating Infinity (mathcore)
Converge - All We Love We Leave Behind (metalcore, hardcore punk)
Botch - We Are the Romans (metallic hardcore, metalcore)
Earth Crisis - Destroy the Machines (hardcore punk, metalcore)
Cave In - Until Your Heart Stops (metalcore, metallic hardcore)
Every Time I Die - Hot Damn! (metalcore, hardcore punk)


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote BaldFriede Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2022 at 19:18
Inner City Unit. Here a few example tracks from four different albums:

















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Grunge is a media made label, that pretty much none of the bands labelled as such, and very few of the fans of those bands, use. So I don’t really believe that Nirvana are mainly considered to be grunge. But even if they do, grunge (as definitely by the media that coined the term) is a fusion of metal and punk, which pretty much means even if people use the term grunge, they are still associating the band with punk music.

Now, obviously, all musical labels and genres are somewhat arbitrary creations imposed retrospectively. The signified has always existed before the signifier is assigned to it. But some labels and genres are more arbitrary than others, and they tend to be the ones given by the media. Krautrock is one, and Grunge is another. There is a huge difference in sound and style between various Krautrock artists, and the same with grunge. In both cases, the labels were bestowed upon music from a particular geographic area in a somewhat derogatory and pejorative manner, initially as nothing more than a joke. But that joke somehow stuck, and became a genre label.

But anyone who thinks all Krautrock bands play the same style of music, or sound similar, clearly hasn’t listened to much Krautrock. It’s more of a cross-genre grouping, than a genre in itself. (And yes, I know I am going to invite a lot of argument, but hey, no change there….)

The same can be said for grunge. It started out as a joke by the media because the bands all looked grungy. It wasn’t even about their sound, so much as their appearance, initially. But when pushed to try and make a genre out of the joke, the metal meets punk explanation somehow evolved. It’s about as accurate as stating all the “grunge” bands have something in common apart from their geography.

But within that mass of Seattle bands called grunge, Nirvana certainly stood out as being more of a punk band than a metal band, if you really had to take that punk/metal fusion thing seriously.

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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

As the majority seems to agree that punk is more than just punk, what about Nirvana by the way? If they count, they're surely among the best. (But then a whole lot of other stuff may want to get in, too.)

Nirvana is mainly considered to be Grunge, but In Utero sounds quite punky to me, and is an album I like a lot.


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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

I do realise by the way that we're repeating ourselves.

But anyway, if I see it correctly, Nirvana hadn't been mentioned before in this thread, which would surprise me if people agreed on them being punk, because I find it hard to imagine that nobody here appreciates them. Of course it may be just my weird taste that makes me like them, but we're talking about a band that is seen as top influential class act all over the place.

It could well be that no one else here likes them (as much) as you do, I love a whole lot of the bands that tend to be grouped together as “grunge” (even though they sound nothing like each other, and tend to all come from different genres, backgrounds and influences. I love Alice In Chains, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam and Screaming Trees, to name some of the other big names of that period and geographic area, as well as a lot of lesser known bands. But I have to admit, I’ve never got on with Nirvana, and like very little of their material.

And, yes, we are definitely repeating ourselves! 😄🤪
(And so, yes, I knew you were saying it mostly tongue-in-cheek. 😜)

However, as you yourself admit, the punk movement came after punk was already used to describe the music. Music had been described as punk before their was an image/fashion/movement that was associated with that music. And even once that aspect of punk took off, and had punk become more than just the music, there were still punk bands that were not associated with that image/fashion/movement. To me, to conflate the punk movement with punk music (which existed before, and long after said movement) is denying a fair portion of pubk history.

To keep to the prog analogy, it’s like saying that prog music was not just from a certain place and time, but also only really applies to those who had at least one member of the band that wore a cape on stage. Yes, I’m extracting the urine a little. But if you can, so can I! 🤪

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I do realise by the way that we're repeating ourselves.

But anyway, if I see it correctly, Nirvana hadn't been mentioned before in this thread, which would surprise me if people agreed on them being punk, because I find it hard to imagine that nobody here appreciates them. Of course it may be just my weird taste that makes me like them, but we're talking about a band that is seen as top influential class act all over the place.
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

As the majority seems to agree that punk is more than just punk, what about Nirvana by the way? If they count, they're surely among the best. (But then a whole lot of other stuff may want to get in, too.)

That is like saying the majority seems to agree that prog is more than just prog. I think it is more a recognition that as the years have gone on punk has evolved and broadened, and encompasses a wider variety of sounds that share a similar aesthetic or ethos as the original punk artists. So, just as some people will argue until the cows have stepped over dead horses on their way home, flogging them until they are blue in the face, that prog begins and ends with music that sounds like the symphonic prog of the ‘70s, some will as narrowly define punk.

Nirvana are readily acknowledged and recognised as punk. I’ve probably heard them described as punk more than any other label. I haven’t checked, but I bet Wiki describes their music as punk. Not that I’m using wiki as an accurate reference, but rather a popular reference. When Wiki gets facts wrong, it tends to be because it goes by popular knowledge and understanding.


Of course if I write things up like this, it's 50% about winding people up who take genre definitions too seriously in my view. Wink Still for me there are good reasons to define punk more narrowly than prog, as the term punk used to refer to a pretty specific movement (OK this might be challenged looking at who used it before it took that shape), whereas prog as a genre label was put post hoc on a set of things that was at that point already quite heterogeneous.


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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

As the majority seems to agree that punk is more than just punk, what about Nirvana by the way? If they count, they're surely among the best. (But then a whole lot of other stuff may want to get in, too.)

That is like saying the majority seems to agree that prog is more than just prog. I think it is more a recognition that as the years have gone on punk has evolved and broadened, and encompasses a wider variety of sounds that share a similar aesthetic or ethos as the original punk artists. So, just as some people will argue until the cows have stepped over dead horses on their way home, flogging them until they are blue in the face, that prog begins and ends with music that sounds like the symphonic prog of the ‘70s, some will as narrowly define punk.

Nirvana are readily acknowledged and recognised as punk. I’ve probably heard them described as punk more than any other label. I haven’t checked, but I bet Wiki describes their music as punk. Not that I’m using wiki as an accurate reference, but rather a popular reference. When Wiki gets facts wrong, it tends to be because it goes by popular knowledge and understanding.

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As the majority seems to agree that punk is more than just punk, what about Nirvana by the way? If they count, they're surely among the best. (But then a whole lot of other stuff may want to get in, too.)
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It actually reminds me a bit of the less polished Shudder To Think work.

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

If punk (or metal for that matter) wanted to be loved by me, it should sound like this album:

One more discovery in my collection of what on RYM is considered to be a Punk album:
Shellac  (USA)  -  At Action Park  (Post-Hardcore, 1994)

What do you think of that, Lewian?

Didn't know that one but like it a lot, thanks for pointing me to it!
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Nowa Aleksandria by Siekiera
Post-Punk/Cold Wave, Poland, 1986

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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Nothing to see here. Wink

But what do you mean?
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Knowing me, knowing you. Smile
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Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

Do the Buzzcocks apply?

Their early albums are classified as Punk Rock on RYM (and highly rated).




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Do the Buzzcocks apply?
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Shellac  (USA)  -  At Action Park  (Post-Hardcore, 1994)

Actually, this album is very interesting in relation to Progressive Rock, as it can be also labeled "Math Rock", and thus is 
an exmple of the closeness and even commonship that can be found between some of Punk and Prog. Star




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Originally posted by Stressed Cheese Stressed Cheese wrote:

Years ago I got really into the Ramones' first 4 albums, and they remain some of my favorite albums to this day (don't care for anything they've done afterwards). Once every few years they're all I listen to for like a week or two and then I get burned out on them. Outside of that the only punk album in my collection is The Offspring's Ixnay on the Hombre. A very fun pop punk album. I'm planning to get some Fugazi CDs in the near-future though.

Fugazi's Repeater is something quite else than The Ramones and Pop Punk. Smile
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