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Guldbamsen
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Self-endulgent? Playing with yourself and hopefully conjuring up something interesting. Can of course also be a negative, where the accolade simply means X artist staring way too deep into the more boring parts of their belly-button. Can work both ways.
Anyhoo Atom Heart Mother, The Lamb and X could all be described as such..and I love them all. I will say this though. More often than not it’s the actual music that ends up turning me off. Not necessarily the deeper thought or indeed ideas behind. Put another way: I love Dave Grohl. Love his drumming and his whole persona. Seems like such a nice guy and furthermore knows a thing or two about rock music. In fact he tends to say all the right things. He even have some deeper thought running through some of lyrical content which I rather like…but the music and delivery simply falls flat on it’s face to me. Same thing with Danish rock semi-deity Tim Christensen who says all the right things and has a multitude of seriously interesting ideas and influences from all over the map…he even plays a mean guitar…yet musically I’m bored out of my mind. |
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Also, if an album is described as “self indulgent”, that usually makes me more interested in hearing it, not less. Something about a musician going off the deep end without a road map and trying something beyond their reach is really appealing to me.
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I guess Rick Wakeman's Myths and Legends of King Arthur would fit the bill... that one would be my favourite, easily. I find it weird I have not seen him in this discussion... nor ELP for that matter, unless I passed them by.
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Maybe, but I took it as him saying it wasn't the progressive artists by definition that were being indulgent, but rather it was the ones taking the easier & quicker way to making a living. Edited by Atavachron - March 30 2022 at 17:07 |
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I was wondering about what qualifies as "self indulgent" and sort of decided that any music that is recorded for the sake of artistic expression rather than a concern for commercial considerations would fit the bill. Under those circumstances that would apply to just about any thing that can be categorized as progressive music.
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So is he saying that the Golden Era of Prog was young musicians playing 'self-indulgent' music they didn't believe in just because it was fashionable? That's what I understand from it anyway, and in my idealistic mind I'd like to believe that wasn't true much of the time.
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Not gonna lie, I definitely wouldn't have gotten that unless you said it. I think it was because I was expecting it to be another full-fledged prog band like the others
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Moby Dick and Dazed & Confused are definitely self indulgent indeed.
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Oh come on people get with it, I didn't add the 't' to the Song Remains the Same...and only ProgRelated here.
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I literally looked up all the major 70s prog bands on Wikipedia and there's seriously nothing with that abbreviation, lol
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Cristi
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SRtS?! I can't figure it out either. I bet it's something obvious and famous, too.
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I spent a good hour or two of research trying to find what it's an acronym for, and I'm still empty-handed
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I mean this in the nicest possible ways, but the last few albums by Nightwish fit the bill for me
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Thanks to José for the image. (Yeah, I lifted it from a Vinyl Forum post.) |
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right, pretty much so
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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What is SRtS? I’ve tried and can’t work out what it’s an acronym for?
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Too many to mention, even I don't think of them as "self-indulgent" - but some over the top, yes, like Thick as a Brick.
As I see it, the explanation is way more complex than that.
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Tales
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Define indulgent or self-indulgent.
1- mindlessly-long soloing in jam bands records 2- mindless/uninteresting concept drowned out in a sea of overstretched ideas (Tubular bells and other Oldfield albums) 3- artistes repeating their usual formula for 3586th time in a row (then TFK, Transatlantic and Steven Wilson are prime culprits, despite the KS/TD 50 years carreer) 4- any combinations (or all) of the above Personally, I find that jazz has a lot more indulgent albums then in prog |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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