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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

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Do you have like... any friends?

Hi,

More than you care to accept or admit!

In general, I am on my own, because I am a writer and I write from my heart and the flow in my dreams, NOT BECAUSE OF YOUR THOUGHTS OR IDEAS OR TOP THIS OR THAT.

Hopefully, you have learned something about the "progressive" folks at first ... they were themselves, not anybody's idea of what it was supposed to be, or a number on a poll!

Why, are you being contrary to the very idea that created "progressive" and later, "prog"? It's not like you don't know the stuff! Or maybe you are just trying to show how popular you are with the other folks here, so it makes you feel better? 

C'mon .... (soundtrack by the Man Band!)


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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

I know they have polls in Denmark.

About Denmark, I can tell that we're used to discuss things and accept different opinions.





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Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

David, the OP, is a very nice guy. I think he is not as seasoned as us in the forum world. He is very understanding too, as I deduced from our PM's.

thank you very much, Archisorcerus
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

What is it about polls you don't understand? 

If you haven't seen my progger poll yet, I'd like you to do it as I find it quite relevant and informative. Big smile





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Thank you very much for your post, moshkito. I find it as a very good contribution to a proper discussion.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

I think we all know how painful taking a pole can be, but sometimes you have to step up.

Thanks, Atavachron, I can see the good point of that, and I've began to do it a bit myself. Smile
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Not really sure what the issue is, or quite what you are looking for.

I'd like first and foremost understand and accept them better, but I've thought, it might be good with possibility for some proper discussion, as well.


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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Fun!
in which ways?

The ways that are enjoyable

Yes, I see your point. That's subjective and can have many different reasons. Smile 


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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Polls come in different forms, cover different topics, ask different questions and have different reasons for being. At this board we have polls on music and non-music. We have polls asking for favourites, asking for least favourites, asking for best, second best and more. It's a way of gauging opinions and collecting data. It's a record of opinion.

I have enjoyed making polls as a way of list making, sharing my favourites, as a kind of a creative exercise even if not that creative, a way of passing the time, and very often as an accessory to discussion. I usually haven't cared much about the results themselves. Often I have done it in the hopes of exposing people to music I like and in turn being exposed to music, and in the hopes of connecting with others who have similar appreciations (a communal exercise). I have done polls of contrast and similarities. Sometime I have covered music I don't much like for diversity sake and to hopefully bring different audience together in the same thread.

I like posting in people's polls as a way of sharing what I like, my thoughts, and hopefully to connect with others and gain new perspective. It is the conversation that goes with the poll that often is more interesting to me, but I do find seeing people's lists interesting and helps me to get a feel for others tastes and interests. Some people like the contest/ games types of polls most, but I don't treat mine as contests. I fid having a poll as an accessory to discussion can help to better focus a topic and add another element or layer to it. Not really sure what the issue is, or quite what you are looking for.

Thank you very mych, Logan, for this serious, and very extensive and informative answer. Smile 


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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

My pleasure, David.  Sometimes people new to these polls think they're like the other ones in here, so was just differentiating between the two.

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David, the OP, is a very nice guy. I think he is not as seasoned as us in the forum world. He is very understanding too, as I deduced from our PM's.

And theres an entity here who learns NOTHING. Who will learn nothing. Better to ignore...
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

(...)
Do you have like... any friends?

LOL Well, me... Cool
Seriously, not too wrong what he wrote there... and regarding the insults, we have seen far worse. Tongue

he's been doing that quite often TBH. And just because there were worse insults than this, does not mean we should tolerate any of them. 
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

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Do you have like... any friends?

LOL Well, me... Cool
Seriously, not too wrong what he wrote there... and regarding the insults, we have seen far worse. Tongue
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Fun!

Hi,

Not to mention a lot of idiocies!

But they help folks remember things with one exception. They heard one album 10 times, and the next ten albums less than half of it, and then they can't possibly learn and appreciate these next ten choices.

If the polls are less "selective" about some content, like some of them intentionally leave out some bands and their work, because they have not been heard properly ... then I tend to not participate, since the idea is just to promote the better known and what I (sometimes) think might be better all around.

All in all, the polls are fine with me, although I do not like to look at my collection of 3k titles and think ... this one is better than that one ... EVER ... because if that were the case they would not be here ... PERIOD.

Favoritism, sometimes, has a tendency to downplay the music itself ... and to say that you prefer Mozart to Beethoven, in here on these polls is almost like saying ... they haven't heard Beethoven much anyway, beyond a couple of chords to start a piece or two! And that hurts the polls in my book, and I wish it was more "inclusive" rather than it being just a choice between 2 or 3 things that are ... not as good as many others, but I supposed that 60 years of music listening is a different experience to a newbie that has been at it for 20 and only discovered "progressive" 10 years ago!

It all differs ... and I wish I had a better way of saying!

The polls are fine, but most of them are not for me! I don't listen to music for "fun" ... I listen to it, because it colors my mind, my body and my soul ... and that has nothing to do with popularity, or polls or the preferences that are seen here.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Fun!

Hi,

Not to mention a lot of idiocies!

But they help folks remember things with one exception. They heard one album 10 times, and the next ten albums less than half of it, and then they can't possibly learn and appreciate these next ten choices.

If the polls are less "selective" about some content, like some of them intentionally leave out some bands and their work, because they have not been heard properly ... then I tend to not participate, since the idea is just to promote the better known and what I (sometimes) think might be better all around.

All in all, the polls are fine with me, although I do not like to look at my collection of 3k titles and think ... this one is better than that one ... EVER ... because if that were the case they would not be here ... PERIOD.

Favoritism, sometimes, has a tendency to downplay the music itself ... and to say that you prefer Mozart to Beethoven, in here on these polls is almost like saying ... they haven't heard Beethoven much anyway, beyond a couple of chords to start a piece or two! And that hurts the polls in my book, and I wish it was more "inclusive" rather than it being just a choice between 2 or 3 things that are ... not as good as many others, but I supposed that 60 years of music listening is a different experience to a newbie that has been at it for 20 and only discovered "progressive" 10 years ago!

It all differs ... and I wish I had a better way of saying!

The polls are fine, but most of them are not for me! I don't listen to music for "fun" ... I listen to it, because it colors my mind, my body and my soul ... and that has nothing to do with popularity, or polls or the preferences that are seen here.

so complaining comes with insults today. 🤦‍♂️ Your rants are getting ruder and more arrogant. 
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Fun!

Hi,

Not to mention a lot of idiocies!

But they help folks remember things with one exception. They heard one album 10 times, and the next ten albums less than half of it, and then they can't possibly learn and appreciate these next ten choices.

If the polls are less "selective" about some content, like some of them intentionally leave out some bands and their work, because they have not been heard properly ... then I tend to not participate, since the idea is just to promote the better known and what I (sometimes) think might be better all around.

All in all, the polls are fine with me, although I do not like to look at my collection of 3k titles and think ... this one is better than that one ... EVER ... because if that were the case they would not be here ... PERIOD.

Favoritism, sometimes, has a tendency to downplay the music itself ... and to say that you prefer Mozart to Beethoven, in here on these polls is almost like saying ... they haven't heard Beethoven much anyway, beyond a couple of chords to start a piece or two! And that hurts the polls in my book, and I wish it was more "inclusive" rather than it being just a choice between 2 or 3 things that are ... not as good as many others, but I supposed that 60 years of music listening is a different experience to a newbie that has been at it for 20 and only discovered "progressive" 10 years ago!

It all differs ... and I wish I had a better way of saying!

The polls are fine, but most of them are not for me! I don't listen to music for "fun" ... I listen to it, because it colors my mind, my body and my soul ... and that has nothing to do with popularity, or polls or the preferences that are seen here.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Fun!


in which ways?


The ways that are enjoyable
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Would anybody else like to say what the polls are all about?


Adapted from The American Historical Association

Quote What Types of Information Can Polls Find?

The polls can find out what people are thinking about important public questions, such as which is better, Yes or Genesis? According to their champions, the polls are fact-finding devices which help to keep the public well informed about topics of interest such as which is considered better, Yes or Genesis? The polls can keep the public in touch with important shifts in public opinion, such as if there has been a reversal in Genesis or Yes popularity when comparing those bands, and therefore in the shifts of forces which decide where the political and social power in this forum lies. And just as he who controls the spice controls the universe, he who can control the Yes vs. Genesis polls can control the forum.


Polls come in different forms, cover different topics, ask different questions and have different reasons for being. At this board we have polls on music and non-music. We have polls asking for favourites, asking for least favourites, asking for best, second best and more. It's a way of gauging opinions and collecting data. It's a record of opinion.

I have enjoyed making polls as a way of list making, sharing my favourites, as a kind of a creative exercise even if not that creative, a way of passing the time, and very often as an accessory to discussion. I usually haven't cared much about the results themselves. Often I have done it in the hopes of exposing people to music I like and in turn being exposed to music, and in the hopes of connecting with others who have similar appreciations (a communal exercise). I have done polls of contrast and similarities. Sometime I have covered music I don't much like for diversity sake and to hopefully bring different audience together in the same thread.

I like posting in people's polls as a way of sharing what I like, my thoughts, and hopefully to connect with others and gain new perspective. It is the conversation that goes with the poll that often is more interesting to me, but I do find seeing people's lists interesting and helps me to get a feel for others tastes and interests. Some people like the contest/ games types of polls most, but I don't treat mine as contests. I fid having a poll as an accessory to discussion can help to better focus a topic and add another element or layer to it. Not really sure what the issue is, or quite what you are looking for.

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