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[QUOTE=David_D]

By the way, Philchem, if you haven't seen yet my top 160 Prog albums all-time made in 2019 on basis of all the ratings on RYM and PA, and you could be interested, it can be seen starting in this thread: 

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=127673 .






Thanks for your replies..and you can call me Phil. Yes, I have checked out that list a couple of times. It's a good list, useful when I'm looking for some new stuff to listen to. Although, since you only include one album per band, it excludes many classic albums.

Not sure that I would start a discussion on defining what is a "great classic", but I'm certainly interested in how you (and others who are interested) perceive this and if you are aware of any other sources that would help to determine what is a great classic prog album.     

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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

LOL.  I had to doubletake your enigmatic enigmatic word play. You so funny, Paul. 

But he was very helpful. Wink






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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote omphaloskepsis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2022 at 02:20
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I'm currently putting together a Top 100 list of obscure British albums collated from the prog vaults, so whenever it's ready, I'll post it either here, there, or somewhere else entirely. Smile

Can't wait, but post it somewhere else. Maybe it will trigger some interesting discussions. Top 100 list of obscure British albums list doesn't belong in "20 of your great UK prog classics" thread.

Thanks. I was being enigmatic as I haven't decided where to post it yet, but you're right, it doesn't belong on this thread.  Smile


LOL.  I had to doubletake your enigmatic enigmatic word play. You so funny, Paul. 
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But I still like you, Cristi, and believe in the Good.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Philchem8 Philchem8 wrote:

It would be interesting to discuss how different people define what they consider to be "great classics"...
Yes, I find this question very interesting as well, but that would certainly need an own thread which I'd be happy to join in if you start it. Smile

I could discuss these question here with you as well, if you could be interested, and I could start with those of my thoughts which led to my definition here.


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By the way, Philchem, if you haven't seen yet my top 160 Prog albums all-time made in 2019 on basis of all the ratings on RYM and PA, and you could be interested, it can be seen starting in this thread: 

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=127673 .






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Originally posted by Philchem8 Philchem8 wrote:

It would be interesting to discuss how different people define what they consider to be "great classics"...

Yes, I find this question very interesting as well, but that would certainly need an own thread which I'd be happy to join in if you start it. Smile

Originally posted by Philchem8 Philchem8 wrote:

After a while, it could be interesting to list the 20 albums that have been the most mentioned and the number of members who have participated, to get an overall idea of the tastes of this community....but you would need to have some time on your hands Smile 

Yes, it would be quite time demanding, but the most important question here is what this list could tell. As far as I've observed it, people here list often not only according to their taste but due to other reasons, too.

And thank you very much for your contributing here. Smile

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

[QUOTE=David_D]Have you ever posted your own conclusions based on the responses to the below?

If you'd like me to post conclusion to this thread, I'd like you to show me how to do it because frankly speaking, I don't know it.

After a while, it could be interesting to list the 20 albums that have been the most mentioned and the number of members who have participated, to get an overall idea of the tastes of this community....but you would need to have some time on your hands Smile 
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It would be interesting to discuss how different people define what they consider to be "great classics", but I'll come back to that at the end of my list. I've limited myself to prog-rock (or at least progish) albums from the UK (as instructed). Now I could have included all 7 Genesis prog albums in my top 20, but in order to make room for other bands, I've limited Genesis to 4. So, in alphabetical order:

Aqualung - Jethro Tull
Ashes Are Burning - Renaissance
The Dark Side of the Moon - Pink Floyd 
Days of Future Passed - The Moody Blues
Foxtrot - Genesis
In the Court of the Crimson King - King Crimson
Islands - King Crimson (some critics see it as one of their worst from their early years - I beg to differ)
In Search of the Lost Chord - The Moody Blues
In the Wake of Poseidon - King Crimson
The Kick Inside - Kate Bush (not sure it's prog, but close enough)
Moonmadness - Camel
Nursery Cryme - Genesis
Phantasmagoria - Curved Air
A Salty Dog - Procol Harum
Selling England By the Pound - Genesis
The Snow Goose - Camel
Stand Up - Jethro Tull
Wind & Wuthering - Genesis
Wish You Were Here - Pink Floyd
The Yes Album - Yes  

All these albums have a score of at least 3.6 (or very close to that in 2 cases) on RateYour Music and a relatively significant amount of votes, a score of at least 3.7 on on ProArchives (except for one) and at least 4 stars by AllMusic Guide (except for one). This may set the bar a bit low for you, but I consider 3.6 on RYM a relatively high rating, albeit not stellar - several of the ELP albums others have included here get about that. Now it's of course debatable what is a "great classic" anyway and beyond about the top 50 prog albums, I think the opinions of critics and audiences start diverging significantly. One of the best ranking of prog-albums I've seen is a list of 367 albums on RYM made by someone called alexanderkein. What is interesting about this list is that it takes account ratings from a variety sources (ProgArchives, RYM, Acclaimed Music, Rolling Stones, Cosmos Rock etc.), rather than basing itself on the preferences of one individual or one poll. Not sure about the methodology used though. Prog Magazine's top 100 prog albums list is pretty good too.    

  
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I certainly had some good expectations for this thread, but I never imagined 
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

This thread has got really many views even considering the fact that it's one of "mine" (imho), and it might be that somebody gets a reputation as notorious while I think, it would be appropriate with an apology - or what do you think, Cristi? Ermm

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

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So afterall, I guess that I have made a conclusion. Big smile Thumbs Up



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Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

I like Rednight's taste in music. I don't see even one album on his list that I wouldn't consider a classic prog album. I love them all.
Thank you.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2022 at 07:49
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

No 'Giant? What an empty existence.
If it's only 'Giant who makes your existence full, Rednight, then I can ponder upon how full it is. Ermm Embarrassed
you both are rude GeekErmm
right, sorry, Rednight

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

No 'Giant? What an empty existence.
If it's only 'Giant who makes your existence full, Rednight, then I can ponder upon how full it is. Ermm Embarrassed
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

 Also mentioning me out of the blue, here (Confused) is a personal attack. 

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

No 'Giant? What an empty existence.
If it's only 'Giant who makes your existence full, Rednight, then I can ponder upon how full it is. Ermm Embarrassed
you both are rude GeekErmm

Oh, you're still not over that? 
It was just an observation. Rednight was rude to Paul and you were rude to Rednight. It's just stating the facts. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

 Also mentioning me out of the blue, here (Confused) is a personal attack. 

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

No 'Giant? What an empty existence.
If it's only 'Giant who makes your existence full, Rednight, then I can ponder upon how full it is. Ermm Embarrassed
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


This thread has got really many views even considering the fact that it's one of mine (imho), and it might be that somebody gets a reputation as notorious while I think, it would be appropriate with an apology - or what do you think, Cristi? Ermm

I apologized to you twice already in PMs, for accidentally hurting your feelings. But then again you get very easily upset. So if you did not forgive me yet, I give up. Also mentioning me out of the blue, here (Confused) is a personal attack. 

I do not know what I have to apologize for, having a different opinion than you in some context? 

Do you want to find a solution to our misunderstanding in a private message, or do you want it here in the open forum? I could do it either way, but be ready for any results that will come out of that. 

I think you owe me an apology as well. If you don't know why, I could remind you. Do you want me to remind you here or in a PM? 
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This thread has got really many views even considering the fact that it's one of "mine" (imho), and it might be that somebody gets a reputation as notorious while I think, it would be appropriate with an apology - or what do you think, Cristi? Ermm






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Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

I like Rednight's taste in music. I don't see even one album on his list that I wouldn't consider a classic prog album. I love them all.

And you have passion for Gentle Giant in common, while I won't forget his telling me: "stick to your guns, David".




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Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

^ I edited my post. How about now? Less objective?

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