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Bryan 
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 Posted: July 27 2004 at 22:23 |
 James Lee wrote:
5 minute solo wrote:
master of puppets by mettalica is kinda progish...please don't hurt me |
Even though I can't stand to listen to the band anymore, I agree...but I think "And Justice for All" is even more progressive, with increased song length and compositional development, tight meter changes and melodic soloing, neo-classical arrangements and narrative lyrics. It might even be called a concept album.
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Metallica's new stuff is horrible, but around the Master of Puppets era they were unquestionably flirting with prog. I've long considered ...And Justice For All a prog metal album, and Master of Puppets has some prog elements as well, especially on the instrumental "Orion".
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Posted: July 27 2004 at 22:21 |
Joren wrote:
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nofx - the decline
come on, it's an 18 minute punk song. |
prog isn't only about length, you know
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The Decline also has numerous different sections and rapid changes in time signature and melody. Granted, it doesn't have terribly complex instrumentation, but there are without question very noticeable elements of prog.
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Joren
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Posted: July 27 2004 at 19:30 |
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The Cardiacs, anyone?
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Ik ken maar een paar nummers. (To go off and things is er een). Wat kun je me aanraden? (kan ook via PM)
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Joren
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Posted: July 27 2004 at 19:30 |
5 minute solo wrote:
master of puppets by mettalica is kinda progish...please don't hurt me |
I don't think that's progressive
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James Lee
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Posted: July 27 2004 at 15:44 |
5 minute solo wrote:
master of puppets by mettalica is kinda progish...please don't hurt me |
Even though I can't stand to listen to the band anymore, I agree...but I think "And Justice for All" is even more progressive, with increased song length and compositional development, tight meter changes and melodic soloing, neo-classical arrangements and narrative lyrics. It might even be called a concept album.
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Posted: July 27 2004 at 15:32 |
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master of puppets by mettalica is kinda progish...please don't hurt me
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You want the spoon? You can't handle the spoon!
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James Lee
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Posted: July 27 2004 at 04:53 |
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I agree- I think of "Queen 2" as a classic hard prog album
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Posted: July 27 2004 at 04:37 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Someone mentioned 'Bohemian Rhapsody' earlier in the thread; I think 'The Prophet Song' from the same album is far more progressive (and tragically, far less heard) |
This is very true, and it should be mentioned that the transition from "the Prophet Song" to the next track, "Love of my Life" is so expertly done as to be seamless. Very impressive composition skills. As I've said before, Queen deserve an "honorary" place in progdom, if not a full blown club membership, which they may be too "style flexible" to hold in the eyes of some.
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Posted: July 26 2004 at 18:42 |
 Jimbo, why not...
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AngelRat
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Posted: July 26 2004 at 18:40 |
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Posted: July 26 2004 at 11:05 |
danbo wrote:
Joren wrote:
prog isn't only about length, you know |
Joren, so off topic.... |
Danbo, so predictable....
Someone mentioned 'Bohemian Rhapsody' earlier in the thread; I think 'The Prophet Song' from the same album is far more progressive (and tragically, far less heard)
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Posted: July 26 2004 at 10:45 |
Joren wrote:
prog isn't only about length, you know |
Joren, so off topic....
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Posted: July 26 2004 at 05:59 |
asuma wrote:
nofx - the decline
come on, it's an 18 minute punk song. |
prog isn't only about length, you know
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Joren
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Posted: July 26 2004 at 05:59 |
Dick Heath wrote:
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no one metioned bohemian rhapsody |
I don't, out of principle
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What do you mean?
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Posted: July 25 2004 at 21:29 |
I don't know if any of you have heard of this band, but Crack The Sky was very progressive in their early years. I'd say pretty much anything off their first 3 albums(and live album) is progressive, to some degree.
Now after that, that's a different story! Still good music, though.
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The Prognaut
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Posted: July 25 2004 at 18:23 |
ELO not being here explains a lot...
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break the circle
reset my head
wake the sleepwalker
and i'll wake the dead
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Posted: July 25 2004 at 18:13 |
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By the way, my apologies to threefates...I couldn't figure out a way to get ELP on the list...
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Posted: July 25 2004 at 18:08 |
If we are talking about OMD then Tubeway Army 'Are Friends Electric' is definetly prog!
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Posted: July 25 2004 at 18:04 |
Cesar Inca wrote:
And what about OMD?...there were some tracks (specially instrumental tracks) in their first four albums...clearly inspired by the darkest and most deconstructive side of krautrock (Faust, pre-Phaedra TD, Cluster, the aethereal side or ART). |
How 'bout 'The Hurting' by TEARS FOR FEARS?
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Posted: July 25 2004 at 18:02 |
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To Arbiter : change your avatar, please, Diddy has the same.
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