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Drama vs Peter Gabriel III (Melt)
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I am surprised that Drama got so many votes.
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Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

Clearly PG 3, even if Biko is maybe a slightly bloated conclusion; PG's album endings were much weaker than the albums as a whole until So.

I like Drama but I really think No Self Control is better than anything on that album by a very large margin.
Reassuring to see like-minded views on Biko. As noted before, it was always an excuse as an encore in the '80s to flee the venue early to beat the traffic.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

I do think this is another one of those polls that sets up the divide between "prog" and "progressive" quite nicely. 

Melt is a pretty obviously progressive album, even if only for introducing the world to the drum sound of the 80s (which Phil subsequently took directly over to Face Value and made it world famous). That said, it doesn't retain much of the "prog" style that much of the music on this site is based in. No 20 minute suites, or even 10 minute epics. The closest you get is a multi-section story song "Family Snapshot" and a seven minute slow build "Biko." This album is all about new sounds, new production techniques, unusual song ideas, atmospherics and moods. The epitome of "art rock" if you ask me.

Drama on the other hand is pretty obviously a "prog" album. While it does contain elements that are pushing music forward (thank you The Buggles), it centers mainly on a harder edged prog style for most of the album that isn't terribly far off from the music Yes had already been making throughout the 70s, if a little meaner. You do get a 10 minute epic in "Machine Messiah," and another lengthy proggy gem in "Into The Lens." 

really good summation

PG is a tough listen and takes no prisoners. Games Without Frontiers was a surprise top 5 hit in the UK garnering a lot of airplay so it may not be quite as far away from pop as people like to believe. Shock the Monkey and No Self Control were also played quite a bit on radio at the time while Biko is the best live singalong ever!. Its a very clever album but not as inaccessible as many would like to believe.

Shock the Monkey is on PG4.

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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Melt is one of the finest albums ever made, a work which even after 40 years is still played regularly and holds a very special place in my collection. It was just about the perfect fusion of post punk rock, progressive rock, electronic rock, experimentation, and the most nailed on political statements ever put to music. About as perfect an album as it is possible to be released. Full of emotion and absolutely biting in its execution.

Drama, by contrast, is absolutely none of the above. About as dull as it gets. Sorry…….

Listen to laz.....his words ooze the truth to the nth degree.

Sorry, Catch...but nuh-uh! Drama has some of Yes' best material. "About as dull as it gets" is one helluva putdown. Sounds personal to me. LOL
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Clearly PG 3, even if Biko is maybe a slightly bloated conclusion; PG's album endings were much weaker than the albums as a whole until So.

I like Drama but I really think No Self Control is better than anything on that album by a very large margin.
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Melt is one of the finest albums ever made, a work which even after 40 years is still played regularly and holds a very special place in my collection. It was just about the perfect fusion of post punk rock, progressive rock, electronic rock, experimentation, and the most nailed on political statements ever put to music. About as perfect an album as it is possible to be released. Full of emotion and absolutely biting in its execution.

Drama, by contrast, is absolutely none of the above. About as dull as it gets. Sorry…….

Listen to laz.....his words ooze the truth to the nth degree.
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Both are great albums but I think Drama has aged better. 
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I went with Drama, I just think it is more fun to listen to than the PG, even though that album is indeed a great one.  
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Drama was stronger than I expected it to be, but I wouldn't put in the same league as Melt.

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This one isn't close even though I like them both.  PG III for the win!
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I gave my vote to PG, making the score even.
That reflects my thoughts: I love them both, but for very different reasons. PG3 wins as a psychologically deep conceptual album whereas musically Drama gives me more. (Ie. I probably would have voted Yes if they had been one vote behind. 😀)
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An interesting poll considering the current outcome. I didn't think there was enough love in the room for the overbearing Yes entry, up against an obvious crowd favorite. An odd poll though, so I won't vote.
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Yes: Drama.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

I do think this is another one of those polls that sets up the divide between "prog" and "progressive" quite nicely. 

Melt is a pretty obviously progressive album, even if only for introducing the world to the drum sound of the 80s (which Phil subsequently took directly over to Face Value and made it world famous). That said, it doesn't retain much of the "prog" style that much of the music on this site is based in. No 20 minute suites, or even 10 minute epics. The closest you get is a multi-section story song "Family Snapshot" and a seven minute slow build "Biko." This album is all about new sounds, new production techniques, unusual song ideas, atmospherics and moods. The epitome of "art rock" if you ask me.

Drama on the other hand is pretty obviously a "prog" album. While it does contain elements that are pushing music forward (thank you The Buggles), it centers mainly on a harder edged prog style for most of the album that isn't terribly far off from the music Yes had already been making throughout the 70s, if a little meaner. You do get a 10 minute epic in "Machine Messiah," and another lengthy proggy gem in "Into The Lens." 

really good summation

PG is a tough listen and takes no prisoners. Games Without Frontiers was a surprise top 5 hit in the UK garnering a lot of airplay so it may not be quite as far away from pop as people like to believe. Shock the Monkey and No Self Control were also played quite a bit on radio at the time while Biko is the best live singalong ever!. Its a very clever album but not as inaccessible as many would like to believe.

Shock the Monkey is on PG4.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Yes, it has to be Drama, bearing in mind I can't name any of the songs on Peter Gabriel 3. Embarrassed

Not even Biko?

It's very close call for me but I'd probably go for PG.

I would have said, "Not even Games Without Frontiers?"  
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Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

I do think this is another one of those polls that sets up the divide between "prog" and "progressive" quite nicely. 

Melt is a pretty obviously progressive album, even if only for introducing the world to the drum sound of the 80s (which Phil subsequently took directly over to Face Value and made it world famous). That said, it doesn't retain much of the "prog" style that much of the music on this site is based in. No 20 minute suites, or even 10 minute epics. The closest you get is a multi-section story song "Family Snapshot" and a seven minute slow build "Biko." This album is all about new sounds, new production techniques, unusual song ideas, atmospherics and moods. The epitome of "art rock" if you ask me.

Drama on the other hand is pretty obviously a "prog" album. While it does contain elements that are pushing music forward (thank you The Buggles), it centers mainly on a harder edged prog style for most of the album that isn't terribly far off from the music Yes had already been making throughout the 70s, if a little meaner. You do get a 10 minute epic in "Machine Messiah," and another lengthy proggy gem in "Into The Lens." 

really good summation

PG is a tough listen and takes no prisoners. Games Without Frontiers was a surprise top 5 hit in the UK garnering a lot of airplay so it may not be quite as far away from pop as people like to believe. Shock the Monkey and No Self Control were also played quite a bit on radio at the time while Biko is the best live singalong ever!. Its a very clever album but not as inaccessible as many would like to believe.

My vote is Drama. I only put 3 other Yes albums clearly above it and was a return to form in my view. Some really sharp playing and Squire was never better than on Does It Really Happen? A vote for the prog album!
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If by better album we mean a consistent, dependable cornucopia of quality rock, Drama wins.   But if the content itself counts, the texture, innovations and sound design, Melt could be superior.
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Yes: Drama by far
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I like both. And went with Melt as I find it a stronger album emotionally.
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