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Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

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No need to go on an anti-metal tirade about how it's just loud and isn't music. Some of us like both metal and Zappa. They both qualify. Zappa's underrated and probably always will be, and he definitely belongs on this list. So are a lot of metal bands.

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You misunderstand the post. I don't dislike "metal" and have quite a bit of it ... the main issue I have with it is how "metal" is about copy and loudness, and no one else could touch FZ, and even his son's band had a hard time playing it and sounding 2nd rate in a concert series with RTF.

If you want music, I doubt that one would select "metal", IN GENERAL. That says nothing about my liking it or not. I was listening to "metal" before you were born, I bet! AND I still have the albums (though some on CD now!).
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

I'm going to throw in Pendragon - 8 albums from Window of Life to Love Over Fear, pick any 5 from them.

I like some Pendragon, but some of their later offerings are inconsistent. I can't see them having five in a row, let alone eight.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

Zappa. Fight me. I love him. Pick most sets of five for me. Even more of we include live and posthumous.

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It is always an issue with me ... FZ deserves a lot better than he has gotten from today's audience, but it's difficult as long as we treat all the music into "genres" and do not look at it for its musicality and composition, which FZ would win hands down over most bands anyway ... specially when he started it way before most people listening to radio ever knew about anything else ... and while he was not a huge seller, he was already a fairly good seller in Southern California, and very well known and respected.

Forward 50 years, and we think some of the metal stuff is great music, when it's (not always but often) simply loud and making it look like it is musical, when most are just repetition of themes and an even louder solo on the guitar. Maybe one day that guitar will add to the music instead of a solo, no?

I look at it as we are not very good at looking at the history of music and its players ... we always seem to compare to what things are like now, and somehow my imagination only sees today's stuff as good and yesterday's stuff as not even worth listening to. 

It's just strange, making me think that some folks are not into music ... just into the stuff they like. I may not like/enjoy Brahms, but for crying out loud ... he is listed in the music annals for a reason, and it wasn't "metal" or "loudness".

No need to go on an anti-metal tirade about how it's just loud and isn't music. Some of us like both metal and Zappa. They both qualify. Zappa's underrated and probably always will be, and he definitely belongs on this list. So are a lot of metal bands.
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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

Zappa. Fight me. I love him. Pick most sets of five for me. Even more of we include live and posthumous.

 
 Agreed , there are a lot of 5 album runs you could do for Frank.
 If I were to pick I would probably go with these. ( Studio Albums only) 
 
  Waka/ Jawaka
  The Grand Wazoo
  Over- Nite Sensation
  Apostrophe'
  One Size Fits All 


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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

Zappa. Fight me. I love him. Pick most sets of five for me. Even more of we include live and posthumous.

Hi,

It is always an issue with me ... FZ deserves a lot better than he has gotten from today's audience, but it's difficult as long as we treat all the music into "genres" and do not look at it for its musicality and composition, which FZ would win hands down over most bands anyway ... specially when he started it way before most people listening to radio ever knew about anything else ... and while he was not a huge seller, he was already a fairly good seller in Southern California, and very well known and respected.

Forward 50 years, and we think some of the metal stuff is great music, when it's (not always but often) simply loud and making it look like it is musical, when most are just repetition of themes and an even louder solo on the guitar. Maybe one day that guitar will add to the music instead of a solo, no?

I look at it as we are not very good at looking at the history of music and its players ... we always seem to compare to what things are like now, and somehow my imagination only sees today's stuff as good and yesterday's stuff as not even worth listening to. 

It's just strange, making me think that some folks are not into music ... just into the stuff they like. I may not like/enjoy Brahms, but for crying out loud ... he is listed in the music annals for a reason, and it wasn't "metal" or "loudness".
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Deerhoof 
Ignore the PA ratings because this band is sickening!!! My ratings are way more accurate. From 2002-2012 they were the best band around...

Reveille (2002) 8/10
Apple O' (2003) 10/10
Milk Man (2004) 10/10
The Runners Four (2005) 9/10
Friend Opportunity (2007) 10/10
Offend Maggie (2008) 10/10
Deerhoof Vs. Evil (2011) 8/10
Breakup Song (2012) 9/10
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I was thinking about making a poll on this just yesterday!
I will get back with it maybe today.
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Genesis. They stretch to 7 great albums in a row: Trespass to Wind & Wuthering. 

Moody Blues - The great seven album run from TDOFP - Seventh Sojourn

Totally agree on both 7-album runs. Thumbs Up
 

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Originally posted by Argo2112 Argo2112 wrote:

I didn't see anyone mention Renaissance. 
Not sure what the PA ratings are on all of these but five pretty solid albums. 

  • Ashes are Burning
  • Turn of the Cards
  • Scheherazade
  • Novella
  • A Song for All Seasons

I'll go along with that list and up the ante by adding Prologue and Live at Carnegie Hall to make it a solid  run of seven 5-star albums in a row. Thumbs Up
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XTC is a great call - not a duff album from Drums & Wires onwards.

I'm going to throw in Pendragon - 8 albums from Window of Life to Love Over Fear, pick any 5 from them.
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Genesis. They stretch to 7 great albums in a row: Trespass to Wind & Wuthering. Personally I would stretch that to And then there were three too, but I'll be reasonable..

King Crimson - From ITCOTCK - Red (again more than five)

Rush - 2112 - Moving Pictures

Queen - Queen 1 - DATR

Moody Blues - The great seven album run from TDOFP - Seventh Sojourn

VDGG - The least we can do - Still Life

XTC - Drums & Wires to Big Express (and way beyond..)
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Zappa. Fight me. I love him. Pick most sets of five for me. Even more of we include live and posthumous.
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Oh no! David Bowie doesn't pass by his PA scores! This is actually a bit shocking to me, not because Bowie was some giant of progressive rock, but because he was the quintessential shapeshifting "looking forward" guy, and what's not progressive about that, even if he didn't really do much "prog" in the traditional sense. Anyway man people will mention his entire 70s run as one of the greatest of all time, but there are a couple of low rated albums in there that just keep him away from five albums in a row over 3.5. Here's where he gets the closest:

The Man Who Sold The World ~ 4.02
Hunky Dory ~ 4.19
The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust And The Spiders From Mars ~ 4.26
Aladdin Sane ~ 3.84

His Ziggy years basically. He was untouchable then and those albums remain one of his greatest achievements. However, they don't total five, and here's why. Space Oddity doesn't quite reach 3.5 with a score of 3.34, and though Diamond Dogs does pass the 3.5 mark (barely, at 3.60), it is unfortunately preceded by Pin-Ups the covers album! Pin-Ups has only 3.04 stars to its name, and had it been released just a year later wouldn't factor into this discussion. However it does sit where it sits. If you choose not to count it, I can see your point, but the technicalities will not agree with you. Nevertheless, Bowie can't go on to have an even longer run without it, as Young Americans (ever the black sheep of his 70s releases) only scores 2.83! I agree it's his least compelling, but I don't think it's that low, but that's just my personal take. 

"But wait!" you say, "what about the Thin White Duke and the Berlin Trilogy and Scary Monsters? That makes five right?" It just almost does, and in my personal taste it absolutely passes with flying shades of orange, black, and white. However, there's one little problem with the PA ratings: Lodger.

Station To Station ~ 4.03
Low ~ 4.09
"Heroes" ~ 4.05
Lodger ~ 3.48
Scary Monsters ~ 4.15

Perhaps Bowies most oft forgotten classic album, Lodger seems to be the PA critics choice for the least compelling of this period, and what a strong period it is! Everything else here passes the test even with a 4.0 cutoff, that's not easy! Bowie was pushing boundaries and making great art in new ways on every one of these five albums, but that second to last one just didn't work so well for many people. Is it the lack of an ambient instrumental suite? Has the songwriting gotten too predictable? Is the band not as good? We may never know. 

But anyway it would've been nice to see Bowie score two 5 album runs in the 70s, yet both have been thwarted. His later work has more frequent ups and downs score wise, though if Hours and Reality were regarded just a few tenths of points more kindly he'd have a good sendoff run of five from Hours to Blackstar. I suppose that's the danger of constantly changing your approach. It's hard to know what will work and what won't.
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Happily my beloved favorite band, Queen, pass the test based on PA ratings.

Queen ~ 3.66
Queen II ~ 4.36
Sheer Heart Attack ~ 3.98
A Night At The Opera ~ 4.30
A Day At The Races ~ 3.78

Of course the far less prog and far more rock and roll News Of The World doesn't make the cut here, but as I'm a Queen fan before I'm a prog fan I'd say News qualifies as the last in their unstoppable 70s run to at least equal their debut. I love their whole discography, but Jazz lacks focus, The Game has loose ends on side 2, Flash Gordon lacks songs (for obvious reasons), Hot Space is what it is, and only by The Works do things start looking up again, building their way back towards the top to Innuendo.


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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

From the classic era: Gentle Giant, Yes, Genesis, Klaus Schulze, Tangerine Dream, Area, Univers Zero, Pink Floyd, and maybe Renaissance, Tull, Strawbs, Ange, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Herbie Hancock, Miles Davis, and VDGG. 
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Hi,

TD and KS without a doubt. 

Ange is excellent even further with its material and presentation on the albums.

PFM is deserving of the mention and has been mentioned.

BANCO del Mutuo Soccorso deserves a mention.

Amon Duul 2 is also a very strong candidate for the list. Already mentioned.

Djam Karet is a definite for the list.


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There are so many bands that I really love that wouln't pass this test for me, but then I can be a little picky about the songs that I choose to love and add to my lists. Perhaps the only one that would pass this test would be Pink Floyd, and maybe Rick Wakeman.
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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Van der Graaf Generator made five consecutive albums above 4.0, and nine consecutive albums above 3.5:
 
The Least We Can Do Is Wave to Each Other - 4.07
H To He, Who Am The Only One - 4.32
Pawn Hearts - 4.42
Godbluff - 4.47
Still Life - 4.29
 
World Record - 3.83
The Quiet Zone / The Pleasure Dome - 3.64
Present - 3.61
Trisector - 3.51
 



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Seaside - 4.15
Little Man - 4.29
On Land - 4.36
Heaven Born - 3.99
Sing To God - 4.29
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Originally posted by MFP MFP wrote:


Anekdoten

Vemod
Nucleus
From Within
Gravity
A Time of Day (the weakest album of this bunch, still great music)
Until All the Ghosts Are Gone
I almost included them in my list, but Gravity is not "great" IMO... only "very good" Wink
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Amon Duul II is a great call.
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