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Poll Question: Do you consider the current lineup of Yes to really be Yes?
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Hi,

I find this thread sad ... really sad.

We don't go around saying that Stravinsky is not Stravinsky anymore, and Mozart is not Mozart anymore.

YES, was for a time a "composer" that put together many wonderful things that many of us loved. Since then, its productivity has not stopped, although we think that their work has suffered. We don't go around saying that Picasso was crap in the last years of his artistic career, or Stravinsky!

I'm OK with folks saying that YES had its best a while back, but I find it sad that it is being so thrashed senseless.

It makes the music of a composer, or band, trivial. And to me, PROGRESSIVE is not trivial or stupid or a waste of time. It is what it is, and today it is not the same as yesterday with different folks ... and the last chapter of the book is still not written!


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I thought "Touch & Go" by ELP was playing when I first hit play in that new song lol.

Yes is one of my favorite bands ever, but I haven't paid much attention to their latest material and I've even lost track of who is in the band anymore.

But since the name thing has been debated, what happens if Anderson and Wakeman want to release music under the Yes name? Why are Howe and White the ones that have the name and not them? Who decides who can use the name? 

I remember when Anderson, Wakeman, Howe and Brufford who were basically the full classic lineup without Squire had to release it under a different name and couldn't use "Yes".
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Judging from the Ice Bridge I'm happy to report Yes is Yes still/again. Of course it's the modern era Yes (like the Ladder). It could be worse for sure, not sure if it could be much better in these circumstances (No Squire, no Anderson). If the album is like this, it's good enough to buy, which is really good, as the last studio album I've  bought was Magnification. 

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New video just out

Not as bad as i feared but doesn't sound like Yes either except a Howe guitar lick here and there

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The new track from The Quest is fine. Looking forward to this new yes album with this foretaste...
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^ LOL

Maybe white topographic punks on fragile dope!


Actually maybe the question should really be...

Was YES ever YES in the first place?

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I think Yes should become a Tubes cover band. THAT i'd pay for LOL

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WOW ... just to hear White Punks on Dope with Jon would give me the biggest laugh EVER!

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Yes?! No!!
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Originally posted by tdfloyd tdfloyd wrote:

Yes is a brand name and Howe (and possible Alan White) have the rights, so Yes it is. The brand just draws attention to the work.  Whether one wants to go along for the ride is up to you. 


Excellent answer!  Let's see what they can do, maybe they will surprise us.  However, I doubt it.
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Yes is a brand name and Howe (and possible Alan White) have the rights, so Yes it is. The brand just draws attention to the work.  Whether one wants to go along for the ride is up to you. 




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Maybe?

I don’t really care one way or another. If fans and the band themselves find pleasure in the new music - then more power to them. I would however be very surprised if this album turned out differently/better than any of their most recent albums.
I hope the very best for them..but at the same time feel very comfortable with the amount of Yes albums I already own. No need for more.
Maybe I’ll check it out when it is released.
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I just would rather see a band go down as a legend rather than blemish it with mediocre meh.


Yeah, I agree with that. Some of the recent live albums they've put out have been very unimpressive, and I think we would have been better off without these really. If the upcoming studio record is going to be really mediocre, it would be worse than no record at all. But I think that there is hope that The Quest will be a worthy Yes album. At least, it would be unfair to dismiss it before it is even out.



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Originally posted by SouthSideoftheSky SouthSideoftheSky wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ i don't think you understand the business aspect of bands of the 70s. Whoever owns the copyright owns the band. Just because others contributed doesn't mean that Squire didn't have the final say. That's how all bands work. There's usually ONE member who basically OWNS the band.
 

Chris Squire was obviously extremely important for the band, not just musically. I know that. But I don't see how that proves that the current line-up cannot really be Yes. Besides, as far as I've heard, Chris wanted the band to move on.



The question isn't if they CAN be Yes.

The question is whether they SHOULD be.

Of course they can do whatever they want.

I just would rather see a band go down as a legend rather than blemish it with mediocre meh.

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ i don't think you understand the business aspect of bands of the 70s. Whoever owns the copyright owns the band. Just because others contributed doesn't mean that Squire didn't have the final say. That's how all bands work. There's usually ONE member who basically OWNS the band.
 

Chris Squire was obviously extremely important for the band, not just musically. I know that. But I don't see how that proves that the current line-up cannot really be Yes. Besides, as far as I've heard, Chris wanted the band to move on.
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^ i don't think you understand the business aspect of bands of the 70s. Whoever owns the copyright owns the band. Just because others contributed doesn't mean that Squire didn't have the final say. That's how all bands work. There's usually ONE member who basically OWNS the band.

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by SouthSideoftheSky SouthSideoftheSky wrote:


Steve Howe joined the band some 50 years ago, and participated on all of the classic albums from The Yes Album to Drama, and then again in the 90's and beyond. Alan White has been on all Yes albums since he joined in 1972. Geoff Downes goes back to the Drama album in 1980, and the upcoming album will be his fourth studio release with the band. Billy Sherwood has been contributing on and off for 30 years, as song-writer, session man, extra live guitarist, producer/mixer/engineer, and now full-time bassist, etc.

Yet, some people here claim that this line-up doesn't have the right to the band name! Come on, people! How many roads must a man walk down before you call him a man? Aren't you setting the requirements a little high?



None of them are original members though and none of them had primary control over the band's creative process. No matter how much they contributed to the band's sound during an aspect of YES' career, they were still nothing more than employees of Squire, the brand name owner of this enterprise. Without his conductor's shrewdness, for my liking it isn't YES any longer.

As mentioned above, YES really is a tribute band of its past glory and this new album is likely only put out to appease the fanbase as an excuse for touring. Nothing wrong with that of course. I'm sure many will be happy to see a few classic members performing all the hits.

I think what we're discussing here, or attempting to, is YES' relevance as a creative artist and that's where some of us have found that they have long been irrelevant as such for 20 years now in fact. Personally i just think it tarnishes their legend by releasing a series of crap.


Like I have said before, I don't think a focus on the original members fits well with Yes's history and nature as a band. The original line-up only did two albums, and most fans agree that those are not the band's best. Many people who joined later have made very important contributions to the band, and Howe is clearly one of them.

Truth is that Yes is a band that has always kept evolving, and line-up changes has always been usual with them. I absolutely reject your claim that all members of the band have been "nothing more than employees of Squire". To the contrary, I see the band as a vehicle for a certain sound, and no specific individual is essential for that sound. For example, the Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe album is a Yes album in all but name, and it sounds totally like Yes, even though Squire was not involved.

I do agree that as of late, they have been like a tribute band of themselves, but that was because they have only been performing live and not made any new music. Now that a new studio record is finally coming, I feel that they are more than a tribute band again. Is the new record merely an excuse for more touring? Maybe. But personally, I am a record guy. I don't go to many live shows, I listen to records. And new music from Yes is not something we've seen a lot of in recent decades. So I am hungry for a new Yes studio album.

I don't expect The Quest to be a great Yes album, but neither do I think it will be crap.



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Originally posted by SouthSideoftheSky SouthSideoftheSky wrote:

Originally posted by iluvmarillion iluvmarillion wrote:

When you stop producing new music you lose your relevancy as a band ...


I agree 100%, and now Yes are finally producing new music again.


Agreed, but that doesn't mean good, original, or non-derivative stuff unfortunately. "New" is now more relative than ever w music IMHO.

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by SouthSideoftheSky SouthSideoftheSky wrote:


Steve Howe joined the band some 50 years ago, and participated on all of the classic albums from The Yes Album to Drama, and then again in the 90's and beyond. Alan White has been on all Yes albums since he joined in 1972. Geoff Downes goes back to the Drama album in 1980, and the upcoming album will be his fourth studio release with the band. Billy Sherwood has been contributing on and off for 30 years, as song-writer, session man, extra live guitarist, producer/mixer/engineer, and now full-time bassist, etc. 

Yet, some people here claim that this line-up doesn't have the right to the band name! Come on, people! How many roads must a man walk down before you call him a man? Aren't you setting the requirements a little high?


Nobody said they do not have the right to call themselves "Yes", just that the current line-up lacks credibility for many. That's all. 

I'm surprised the band is not called "Steve Howe's Yes". 

Correct and correct, lol.

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Originally posted by SouthSideoftheSky SouthSideoftheSky wrote:


Steve Howe joined the band some 50 years ago, and participated on all of the classic albums from The Yes Album to Drama, and then again in the 90's and beyond. Alan White has been on all Yes albums since he joined in 1972. Geoff Downes goes back to the Drama album in 1980, and the upcoming album will be his fourth studio release with the band. Billy Sherwood has been contributing on and off for 30 years, as song-writer, session man, extra live guitarist, producer/mixer/engineer, and now full-time bassist, etc.

Yet, some people here claim that this line-up doesn't have the right to the band name! Come on, people! How many roads must a man walk down before you call him a man? Aren't you setting the requirements a little high?



None of them are original members though and none of them had primary control over the band's creative process. No matter how much they contributed to the band's sound during an aspect of YES' career, they were still nothing more than employees of Squire, the brand name owner of this enterprise. Without his conductor's shrewdness, for my liking it isn't YES any longer.

As mentioned above, YES really is a tribute band of its past glory and this new album is likely only put out to appease the fanbase as an excuse for touring. Nothing wrong with that of course. I'm sure many will be happy to see a few classic members performing all the hits.

I think what we're discussing here, or attempting to, is YES' relevance as a creative artist and that's where some of us have found that they have long been irrelevant as such for 20 years now in fact. Personally i just think it tarnishes their legend by releasing a series of crap.

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