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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

That Experience debut album is astounding. It's like a greatest hits package.


Jack Nicholson reminds me that Jimi Hendrix will forever be remembered as The Shining light of Psychedelic Rock, and the following video is a specially extended version of "Astro Man" (with a suitably astronomical theme), from Jimi's first posthumous solo album: The Cry of Love (1971)
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Not sure how serious Dave is, but you don't get to be a universally acclaimed innovator if you're not very good. 
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Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

I hate to pop the balloon, but he wasn't a very good guitarist. ;-) 

(Time to go off and hide somewhere.)

If any actual improvising guitarists here would like to put together a reply, that'd be great, but if you can't improvise like Hendrix then you're expressing an opinion and not a fact. ;-) 

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That's a really tough comment, but I don't know how to discuss it. 

European music, has a lot of guitarists that improvise and experiment left and right. Richard Pinhas, Robert Fripp (not in KC but in other material), the late Michael Karoli (Can), the well known John McLaughlin, Steve Hillage in his solos and meditative stuff and someone in America that Steve Vai has shown/said was one of the best improvisers ever ... Frank Zappa, and there is a clip somewhere in the tube that SV plays for us, and I think it is about 10 minutes long or so, where Frank really does well, and probably pulls off what some Europeans had been doing, as well as John McLaughlin. (Just to name a few right off the bat)

I don't dislike Jimi at all, but HOW HE USED the guitar and the effects was really nicely done, and that is something that many lead guitarists all over do not do well, without over doing an effect and it ends up just sounding mechanical and not fluid ... and this is my beef against a lot of lead guitar stuff in the metal area. It is about the loudness and the noise, and not the music itself, and Jimi, at least, was mostly about the music, and in my book, by the time he got to BoG, I think that the quality had dropped a lot since he now was playing "the blues" and not the more experimental and free form stuff that gave his touch a really good impression. Even though the JHE is, for the most part, just songs, and many ended up on radio, the stuff in BoG was nowhere near as adventurous to my ears as the early material.

It's hard to say ... I think that many of us would wish that Jimi had played for 10 to 20 more years, and try more different things with his guitar, although, I'm not sure that a whole lot of it, would have the explosiveness that the early stuff did when he was blowing people out of the stage!


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I hate to pop the balloon, but he wasn't a very good guitarist. ;-) 

(Time to go off and hide somewhere.)

If any actual improvising guitarists here would like to put together a reply, that'd be great, but if you can't improvise like Hendrix then you're expressing an opinion and not a fact. ;-) 

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^ Great set but incomplete, missing quite a few songs from all four shows.  

There's some good amateur video footage from those sets as well... somewhere on Youtube.





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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Funny that...Band Of Gypsys to me is like a ‘high water mark’ of Jimi’s showing how far he got with his music. Miles got into Jimi through this album...especially Machine Gun. It was the music that ended up bringing them together.

There is a fantastic 5cd live document with Band of Gypsys called Songs For Groovy Children: The Fillmore East Concerts. Although the sets contained a lot of repeated songs, they are done differently enough that they remain interesting...especially "Machine Gun". 
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

And it was waaay better than Sgt. Pepper's or any other iconic album in that era of 1966 - 1967.

See, we actually agree on some things...Clap.

Hendrix is a guitar GOD...plus he played with R&B greats like Sam Cooke, Wilson Pickett, Ike & Tina Turner.
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Originally posted by Cboi Sandlin Cboi Sandlin wrote:

I actually prefer Bold As Love. Also, SGT Peppers is way better than Hendrix’s debut.


Not sure why a comparison is warranted.

They approached music from completely different viewpoints.

Both masterpieces in my world.

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Originally posted by Cboi Sandlin Cboi Sandlin wrote:

Also, SGT Peppers is way better than Hendrix’s debut.

Yeah I'm afraid this is correct--  I love Jimi with a passion, far more than the Liverpudlians, but in any objective sense Peppers is a superior piece of work.   Even Jimi would agree, as he played the title cut and others from said LP often and with reverence.  


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First Rays Of The New Rising Sun I enjoy listening to. Cry Of Love, War Heroes, and Rainbow Bridge I enjoyed in the 70s but Rising Sun holds up well because of how the album flows in its entirety. Supposedly the Hendrix estate discovered a list of songs written by Jimi Hendrix to appear on his next album in that order...If that is in fact true then it could be the explanation for the album having a good flow.

The songs felt darker to me than on his previous recordings. ASTRO Man and In From The Storm are dark songs and that last vocal line in Straight Ahead creates a strange unexplainable vibe. "Hello my friend, so good to see you again, I've been all by myself, I don't think I can make it alone " In some strange way that's really creepy what he is saying. Then there's "Angel" which is like a fantasy about visiting an angel. "Room Full Of Mirrors" again a darker style of a Rock song that I believe could have influenced Mahagony Rush and Robin Trower.

"Night Bird Flying" has a unique arrangement. The guitar harmonies especially. "Isabella" is odd and "Freedom" has interesting breaks. I love this album because it represents change for him.
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I actually prefer Bold As Love. Also, SGT Peppers is way better than Hendrix’s debut.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

That Experience debut album is astounding. It's like a greatest hits package.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

And it was waaay better than Sgt. Pepper's or any other iconic album in that era of 1966 - 1967.

And one of the few releases where the American edition is better than the original British version.


Fortunately the CD remaster fixed that little difficulty.

There are 2 other albums worthy of consideration. Axis: Bold As Love and The Who Sell Out. Great songs and the last as a proper and fun concept album.
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Funny that...Band Of Gypsys to me is like a ‘high water mark’ of Jimi’s showing how far he got with his music. Miles got into Jimi through this album...especially Machine Gun. It was the music that ended up bringing them together.
Sadly we never got to hear where this friendship would lead...but man I would have loved to see those two gents jamming together or perhaps even releasing a full album.

Other than that? I love Jimi. The space Indian of the west. Debut to South Saturn Delta and everything in between
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

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As Steve said his guitar abilities and presence tended to over shadow the rest ...there are great tracks I love by him but I have never loved any of the studio lps all the way through. Some of his songs on all lp's were a miss for me. I never felt like he was working creatively with the other band members per se to create something that was larger than the sum of the parts...it was always about Hendrix front and center. 
Again...love many of the tracks he did at any rate.
Weak songs on the LPs? Maybe you had the weak acid. Wink

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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

And it was waaay better than Sgt. Pepper's or any other iconic album in that era of 1966 - 1967.

And one of the few releases where the American edition is better than the original British version.
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And it was waaay better than Sgt. Pepper's or any other iconic album in that era of 1966 - 1967.
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That Experience debut album is astounding. It's like a greatest hits package.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

As Steve said his guitar abilities and presence tended to over shadow the rest ...there are great tracks I love by him but I have never loved any of the studio lps all the way through. Some of his songs on all lp's were a miss for me. I never felt like he was working creatively with the other band members per se to create something that was larger than the sum of the parts...it was always about Hendrix front and center. 
Again...love many of the tracks he did at any rate.

Weak songs on the LPs? Maybe you had the weak acid. Wink

I think his main problem in the studio was the mix & production, and actually the records got much better for Ladyland and BoG when Jimi started producing himself.   He had an incredible ear despite his rough sound and wrote some astounding music, he just needed a little more time to bring it all together.


Oddly enough, for as chunky and rough as the sound mixes of the early recordings were, I can't imagine them any other way.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

As Steve said his guitar abilities and presence tended to over shadow the rest ...there are great tracks I love by him but I have never loved any of the studio lps all the way through. Some of his songs on all lp's were a miss for me. I never felt like he was working creatively with the other band members per se to create something that was larger than the sum of the parts...it was always about Hendrix front and center. 
Again...love many of the tracks he did at any rate.
Weak songs on the LPs? Maybe you had the weak acid. Wink

I think his main problem in the studio was the mix & production, and actually the records got much better for Ladyland and BoG when Jimi started producing himself.   He had an incredible ear despite his rough sound and wrote some astounding music, he just needed a little more time to bring it all together.
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