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I used to love Sounds. Very happy memories of those bizarre and pointless arguments about the death of punk and the rise of Oi Oi, led, of course, by that paragon of British quality journalism. Garry Bushell. Happy days!
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Ah yes, I used to buy Sounds every week back in the early 70's.
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In what way? Geographically or musically? Does Italian heavy prog sound distinctively Italian? Ditto Italian folk prog? What about our German friends? Is there something about Krautrock which is so distinctive that it is set utterly apart from, say, some of the more British avant stuff being produced at the same time? This has got me in a wee bit of trouble in the past, but I am old enough to remember this argument raging over the years. Did we distinguish these sub-genres because of the nationality of the participants, or because they were so musically unique and the nationality aided this? What if a British band were to come along and record an album which sounded like, say, PFM at their height? Would that be RPI? We do have this problem with Canterbury Scene, which was so called because of a group of musicians who got together and created music and a feel in, erm, Canterbury, and yet we allow bands from, say, deepest Glasgow who make an album sounding like a scene album into that sub-genre, which is so historically incorrect it is painful. I say this not to be controversial, but to highlight an ongoing debate which will, frankly, never be satisfactorily resolved.
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now which continent is it?
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Not really. A "continental breakfast" is relatively cheap with a limited menu.
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They were in Sounds originally, and then moved onto Kerrang.
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Exactly, as Italian Prog and Krautrock definitely inhabit their own distinct spaces.
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Defining 'continental prog' as a genre is a bit arrogant imo.
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I remember Pete Frame's rock family trees, but don't remember the name of the music publication they used to turn up in on a semi-regular basis.
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Pete Frame's music family tree books are awesome! I had one back in the day.
For the tree in question it's not bad. You can't include every genre found on PA and I don't consider jazz rock/fusion prog. |
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Some of the answers here gave me an idea for another thread related to prog rock history... I will think about it, formulate it and maybe post. |
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Maybe this one makes a bit more sense. |
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For those of you who don't read German, the subtitle has the word "Auszug" meaning that it's just a part of a whole thing that we don't see. It may have been published as the most essential part (we don't know that I guess), but anyway, it isn't just not claiming that it's complete, it acknowledges explicitly that it's incomplete and that there's more to it elsewhere. So much for criticising that it doesn't have XXX.
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Now that's the kind of prog family tree I like, with more branches than the Major Oak in Sherwood Forest.
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My guess is that it was written by someone who was born after 1990.
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As well as the aforementioned issues with missing genres, when put against the family tree of just three prog acts, it does seem more than a little lacking. |
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it seems to come from a German music magazine. Yet, there's no mention of krautrock.
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I suppose 'eclectic' is the odds and sods department, either stuff that doesn't quite fit anywhere else, or maybe artists no-one can agree on which other sub-genre they belong to, whilst definitely being prog?
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