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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

Is white a color or the absence of color?

White is actually all colors combined.

Black is the absence of color.

The real question is, is the opposite of fire = water, or is the opposite of fire = no fire? Wink

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Is white a color or the absence of color?
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This thread is amazing for all the reasons.

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Not quite sure what's going on here, but there is a distinct lack of Tull on the last pages. And siLLy puPPy seems to have taken peanut butter to be his god, which is fine by me, but did Tull write about peanut butter?
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Oh, Jesus.


I'm out of this conversation. I have no intention of going down the rabbit hole more times than Alice. Curiouser and curiouser.


I'm really not sure which brand of clueless PA poster is preferable: the post modernists who posit ducks are merely social constructs or the spiritual quacks?.


Ermm Hmm. Perhaps you should flip a coin.

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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Oh, Jesus.


Hallelujah! Jesus saves! By clipping double coupons and shopping wisely. Praise the Lord.

Lighten up, guys. I'm just bustin' yer balls.

Spirit science is quite real.

Western science is not the only game in town.

Tibetan Buddhism and other ancient scientific processes have been much more comprehensive than limiting themselves to the three dimensional physical.

New advances in scalar energy have opened up the door to what the east calls chi or prana as well in western circles. There is even technology that can read soul frequencies now.

Perhaps these things don't make sense to you simply because you have not explored them.

Anyways, all of this is way beyond the scope of a music forum so i'll shut the F up now.

Big proggy hugs!

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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Oh, Jesus.

I'm out of this conversation. I have no intention of going down the rabbit hole more times than Alice. Curiouser and curiouser.


I'm really not sure which brand of clueless PA poster is preferable: the post modernists who posit ducks are merely social constructs or the spiritual quacks?.


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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Oh, Jesus.

I'm out of this conversation. I have no intention of going down the rabbit hole more times than Alice. Curiouser and curiouser.
...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Exactly. I can't prove to you that i used to love peanut butter when i was 7  years old either but that doesn't mean it wasn't true! hehe

It is not the same thing. It could probably be verifiable via parents, siblings or schoolmates. Now, if you were riding a unicorn through Narnia while you ate your peanut butter sandwich, that would be more comparable.


Not if my parents were dead, i had no siblings and i didn't take lunches to school.

The point was i can't prove to someone reading this.

As far as proving if a spiritual world exists, that has definitely been proven scientifically in many ways.

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Exactly. I can't prove to you that i used to love peanut butter when i was 7  years old either but that doesn't mean it wasn't true! hehe

It is not the same thing. It could probably be verifiable via parents, siblings or schoolmates. Now, if you were riding a unicorn through Narnia while you ate your peanut butter sandwich, that would be more comparable.
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

But <font size="5" color="#9900FF">I’m an agnostic atheist, as
opposed to an agnostic theist - and therefore I choose not to believe.
You can bang your emoji head against the wall as much as you like, but
there really is nothing odd not believing in something that (almost
certainly) doesn’t exist.




I'm banging your head against the wall, here!! Tongue

You're not an atheist, and yet speak in their name.Angry
That's where you're going wrong here!! Evil SmileYing Yang

I am an atheist, though! I guess you missed that part..... 🤷🏻‍♂️😄



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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Exactly. I can't prove to you that i used to love peanut butter when i was 7  years old either but that doesn't mean it wasn't true! hehe
True to you, not to me. Hee hee
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

But I’m an agnostic atheist, as opposed to an agnostic theist - and therefore I choose not to believe. You can bang your emoji head against the wall as much as you like, but there really is nothing odd not believing in something that (almost certainly) doesn’t exist.



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Exactly. I can't prove to you that i used to love peanut butter when i was 7  years old either but that doesn't mean it wasn't true! hehe

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Fair enough. But that's another realm of experience beyond the empirical. No external proofs to that one either.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

People define and refer to a God or gods in different ways. It's useful when someone makes a God claim, or expresses a belief in God, to try to understand what they mean by God, and what attributes they prescribe to God.


True dat. I'm just instilling a logical perspective as i perceive others' claims to the god equation. Ultimately i've come to the conclusion that the creator or "god" is unobtainable through logic alone. Such a discovery can only be obtained in the emotional, astral and etheric bodies. How one relates to the "god" force is ultimately a very personal experience that no other can understand.

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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

People have used the example of a flying spaghetti monster. One who believes in a God would not believe in the flying spaghetti monster. Why believe in one and not the other? Because an omnipotent being that created the universe, a prime mover, if you will, is more sensible to them than flying monsters or invisible pixies. They would be false equivalencies.


We're jumping around a bit. The flying spaghetti monster is a satirical joke, but it is conceivable that someone would believe that God is a flying spaghetti monster. That one thing is more sensible than another doesn't make it true.

I like Russell's teapot as an analogy to the God claim:

"If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes."

The God claim is problematic to me because of its assumptive nature. I don't see the need for the assumption that God exists.

And of course one might argue that if the universe required a god to create it that that god would have needed something to create it and so on and so on.
I see your point and I'm not arguing against it, but I said that an omnipotent creater makes more sense to thiests than God as a spaghetti monster. Not that it makes it true. Btw, the example of a flying spaghetti monster wasn't satirical until South Park turned it around and made it satirical. Gotta love South Park.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Spaciousmind Spaciousmind wrote:

I guess for me the distinction is "being taught".  As in the East German example kids were being to taught "not to believe".  Where in the rest of the world people are taught "to believe".  Therefore impossible to distinguish one from the other with regards to the word religion.  As both were taught if you wish to impressionable young minds.  Little choice for those young minds there but to listen to the teacher, whoever that teacher might be.  (Parent or teacher).  Hence btw the higher percentage of Atheists in Germany.

As a result since a person has difficulties in finding out his way for himself both are equal as I see it with regards to my question on religion, as neither in reality can be proven or disproven today.

Nick


Actually, Germany is not even one of the top atheist countries, so your argument regarding communist teaching fails. It is certainly true in China, where eradication of religions is more systematic and ingrained over far longer than what occurred in East Germany. But Germany trails France, Japan, the Czech Republic, Iceland, Spain, Belgium and Sweden in western democracies who have the highest percentage of disbelief.

Thanks that's good to know.  Keeps the discussion the same though... teachings and being influenced.. btw.. the word God always makes people go nuts. Maybe the quest is for a knowledge of a higher level of existence, to make our lives mean something or that we could live forever :)
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People define and refer to a God or gods in different ways. It's useful when someone makes a God claim, or expresses a belief in God, to try to understand what they mean by God, and what attributes they prescribe to God.

Edited by Logan - April 25 2021 at 15:02
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