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Interactive poll No. -46 2/3 - the folk music poll

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Poll Question: Nominate one track and vote for three
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My votes:

Tunng - Woodcat
Väsen - IPA-gubben
Mark Fry - The Witch

There were many others in contention
I may comment on my votes later if I can.
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Lots of really nice tunes..hard to choose.....
1. Fotheringay-Banks of the Nile......big Denny fan so this is a must  for me...one of my favorites from her
2.Mark Fry- The Witch.....another one I know and own...eerie and 'dreamy'
3.Vasen- IPA-Gubben....great happy foot tapping ale music at the pub..?

also liked Fovea Hex , Solarference ,and Obscura Orbis....

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Yep, to many great music in this playlist to be able to decently make a choice... However, I did. I proceeded by pairing some tracks and then flip a coin:

1. A pair with a more experimental tinge: Fovea Hex and Solarference. Although You Were There might be more minimalist than experimental, I also like its overall sound. My vote goes to Solarference however: despite (or, thanks to...?) its experimentation they create a very captivating song.

2. The melancholic singer/songwriters: Fotheringay and Nicu Alifantis. This is really a toss-up: two great voices and wonderful songs. The coin flips towards Alifantis: completely unknown to me and I very much like his Branduardi side of bringing his song...

3. Modern takes on tradition: Väsen and the last minute entry Wu Fei & Abigail Washburn: The latter gives an interesting encounter between American folk/country and Chinese traditional music. Very powerful, but in the end the Väsen chips it away; the composition sounds a bit more modern to me and the playing is really impressive.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Raff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2021 at 10:15
I know I've been away from these polls for far too long, but this particular edition was truly outstanding. As I just wrote in the general poll thread, I will be hard put to choose only three songs. Thanks to everyone for the great selections, and for having turned me on to some fantastic music!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Snicolette Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2021 at 08:35
Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

Glad that you enjoyed it Nickie. It definitely impressed me on first hearing and then seeing the video, which was well filmed. I had come across it as an autoplay song from Amazon after listening to a Tin Hat. Amazon's algorithm for song selections is really good, and there is a degrees of separation link with Tin Hat in that violinist Carla Kihlstedt played on Wu Fei's first album.

Also appreciate your comments on my other suggestion along with comments from the Anders and Suitkees. I wish I had time to write more but have been swamped with work. I need to consider my votes.

Thank you for the additional information, George. I've actually added this recording to my list of artists to check into further, you might have made a sale for them.  

And thank you for the playlist!



Edited by Snicolette - March 30 2021 at 08:35
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Thank you Nickie for the vote and the nice words Smile

Continueing through the list:

Raff (continued)
Nuova Compagnia di Canto Popolare. I really enjoy the music here, especially with its melodic patterns. Some of the vocal performances are perhaps a bit too over-the-top for my taste, but on the other hand I like the almost punky energy they add to it.

Lewian (continued)
The Danish String Quartet: I am familiar with the Sønderho music tradition (from the isle of Fanø) - which actually goes way back, so the original piece could not be more traditional. But of course the string quartet add their own touch to it (the staccato playing is more classical than folk). I used to play violin (classical), and I flirted a bit with folk music at times. It's a completely different playing technique, and not one that is easy to handle when you are taught classical violin. I really enjoyed their take on this piece.

Cristi (continued)
Mircea Banicius song has a 70's folk rock sound, but there is also a synthesizer (?) in the right channel. There's a pleasantly relaxed and slightly melancholic atmosphere. I imagine the lyrics have some weight, so I would like to read a translation. Strunga - Phoenix begins with a low-pitched flute which later comes back towards the end. Then the song begins with electric guitar strumming. The melody is in the Phrygian mode in the verse - which is one I don't hear so often, so kudos to that. There is a fascinating, somewhat mystic mood to the music here, a bit like a calm before the storm. I like this a lot, and I am pretty sure I would have voted for it, had it been your nomination. Nicu Alifantis - Trecea un om has a slightly Latin American feel to it (the acoustic guitar playing as well as the chords). Once again the feel is a bit ominous. It's another very interesting song that I like a lot, and I think it would have been a contender too.

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Wu Fei & Abigail Washburn - "The Roving Cowboy / Avarguli": begins with a harp-like string instrument (a guzheng if I am not mistaken). It's fascinating to see how she is bending the notes. Very poetic. Then enters an English language singing voice. The actual song is mostly in a British/American tradition, but the combination works well. Very beautiful song.

I believe I reached through everything at this point, but let me add this plea: A lot of music has been posted, and while I really enjoy most of it, it takes a lot of time to get through all of it. So once again: please don't overdo it. 3-4 songs is fine, but with 8-10 pieces of music from one participant, it becomes too much. I would like some more time to get to know the music better, and it is almost impossible with this amount, especially considering that there is one half a month for each poll.

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Glad that you enjoyed it Nickie. It definitely impressed me on first hearing and then seeing the video, which was well filmed. I had come across it as an autoplay song from Amazon after listening to a Tin Hat. Amazon's algorithm for song selections is really good, and there is a degrees of separation link with Tin Hat in that violinist Carla Kihlstedt played on Wu Fei's first album.

Also appreciate your comments on my other suggestion along with comments from the Anders and Suitkees. I wish I had time to write more but have been swamped with work. I need to consider my votes.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Snicolette Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2021 at 17:38
After pretty much agonizing deliberation, here are my votes:

 1.  George:   Wu Fei & Abigail Washburn “The Roving Cowboy/Avarguli”  Begins with some beautiful guzheng strumming, plucking, and string bending.   Abigail joins in with her haunting voice and an even more haunting Wu Fei harmonizes with her.  Reminiscent of Fairport Convention’s, “Come All Ye” (may be the same tune, but different lyrics).  I’m guessing this is a blending of this bluegrass/country/folk tune with another folk tune from Wu Fei’s tradition.  They trade back and forth and end up with an almost chanted duet.  If more bluegrass were like this, it would be way higher on my typical listening list.  Just stunning, there is truly no better word.  I loved and highlighted so many of yours this time (my way of keeping track of what I want to consider should it come up to vote), but this one does take the cake. 

2.  The Anders:   Väsen “IPA -Gubben”  Most excellent Swedish folk trio here….I’m quite familiar with the nyckelharpa (have actually played with one before) wonderful instrument!  I do not know of this piece or these people, however.  The music is lively and the blend of the lower viola with nyckelharpa and guitar , goes so beautifully together.  During the piece, they also slow it down a bit and get contemplative, everyone has a moment to shine here.  Just love it.  This one won over Mike’s just a tad, because of a nostalgic feeling I got from it, reminding me of days when in a Santa Cruz café, all of the local ethnic folk players would gather and play together, trading songs off. 

As stated, Mike’s entry of Fovea Hex  “You Were There, was the contender for second place here.  I did find it very moving, but in a different way and went for joyful this time.  Deep cellos start this one out, with a haunting vocal, very much liking this, I agree with you, it certainly has folk elements.  Hypnotic, with a sense of medieval chant.

3.  dr wu23’s Espers “Rosemary Lane”  I’m familiar with the tune from Bert Jansch’s version.  A really beautiful, wistful version of this folk song, one of the “cautionary tales,” type.   Lovely arrangement with strings and a delicate female vocal, as well as guitars.  This is done in such a classic style of presentation, I just have to go with this for #3 choice. 

Contenders for third choice were Shadowyard’s, Obscurus Orbis “Kost Ar C’hoat;” Logan’s, Mark Fry “The Witch;”  and Lewian’s, Solarference “Cold Blows the Wind."

The remainder of entries all had wonderful music to bring, this is one of my favourite genres of music, so it’s hard to not like everything I heard.  The only reasons for not being among the Top 3 or contenders was George’s amazing last-minute entry, coupled with either knowing a selection already (Raff!), or selecting one that wasn’t my very favourite of your choices to put up for a vote.  Cheers to The Anders for opting for this subject and all of his thoughtful commentary (indeed everyone who has time to comment is appreciated), to Lorenzo for championing this type of poll and to everyone who participated and made it so very hard for me to make decisions.  Deep breath, then I’m on to creating the next poll for you. 

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Raff (continued)
Simple Minds - Belfast Child. This type of music does not appeal so much to me, especially with the synth strings which make it rather new age-like, as well as the over-the-top production towards the end. But I like the melody. It's not entirely unlike U2, and there is an Irish tin whistle towards the end. The Admirals Hard song sounds quite maritime (reminds me of "What Shall We Do with the Drunken Sailor" for instance), and it is not without humour. I like it much better than the previous one. Weird video.

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James Holden and the Animal Spirits begins in the more experimental area with several noise sounds. Then a drumbeat sets in, and there's a change towards an odd time signature.  Very interesting piece which I really enjoy listening to. I have the band bookmarked for further examination.

Tin Hat Trio - Width of the World begins with acoustic guitar fingerpicking with some drone sounds and noise sounds in the background. Interesting combination between the folkloristic guitar playing and the more experimental backdrop (also a contrast between warm and cold). Then enter an accordion and a violin adding more warmth, until the violin begins to play "ugly" sounds with some sound effects. The accordion still represents the warm and natural as the rhythm intensifies. Harmonically there's a striking use of the tritonus (major fourth or lower fifth) - "the devil in the music" as it was called in the Middle Ages. Helium Reprise begins with what sounds like something from a serialist piece of string music, but the actual song is more like a tango. The voice of Tom Waits fits perfectly into the universe. There are also some rather weird percussion breaks, as well as some pizzicato violin notes towards the end.

Hanafugestu - Crimson: I think I have come across the band before. To be honest it is not so much my taste (the sound is a bit too soft perhaps). Unfolk - Bedroom Discotheque: The composition reminds me a bit of R.E.M. (the topic would also be up their alley). I like the way the lyrics play on the double meaning of vinyl. I think the lyrics are considerably stronger than the music. Paul Pena - Tuva Farewell: Throat singing is definitely not really for me, but I like the actual song which is more bluesy or country'ish. Perhaps a bit too long for that style.
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Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

Snicolette (continued)
Pentangle - Jack Orion: Seeing that it is 18 minutes long, I will skip this for now, considering the vast amount of music being posted here. But judging by the first seconds, which I actually heard, I am pretty sure I would like the rest of the track.

  Absolutely no pressure to listen to an 18 minute track, also why I kept it out of the running.  I also really value your comments discussing various time signatures, modalities, etc.  This has been another very varied poll, thank you for the subject!
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suitkees (continued)
Flairck - Tango: I especially like the glissando notes on the violin. The slow melancholic parts work best for me.

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Vasmalom - Hejtok Lányok: I like how the verse is in 6/4 while the instrumental parts are not. The melodic pattern is also interesting. I can't recognize the wind instrument that appears f.e. around 3:30, but it is a flute of some sort of course. He is using overtones heavily. Floating Cloud starts with a string instrument I can't recognize. Then there's a harp of some sorts. To be honest, I find it a bit boring. Vasmalom was the right nomination for me.

Snicolette (continued)
Pentangle - Jack Orion: Seeing that it is 18 minutes long, I will skip this for now, considering the vast amount of music being posted here. But judging by the first seconds, which I actually heard, I am pretty sure I would like the rest of the track.

Raff
Fotheringay - Banks of the Nile: Another one coloured by the English folk tradtion, but it also has a strong singer/songwriter touch. Mixolydian again by the way. Very nice relaxed and thoughtful atmosphere which I really like, but the music gradually builds up. Great guitar work too, and I love the singing voice. Very "less is more"-like. Should be a contender.

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Lightfoot - Black Day in July: The soundscape brings us back to the late 60's or - at latest - early 70's. The melody is folkish, but the guitar work is more country-like. Is the song referring to the Detroit riots?
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And just one more....George's final entry and choice for the nominees:  

Wu Fei & Abigail Washburn “The Roving Cowboy/Avarguli”  Begins with some beautiful guzheng strumming, plucking,

 and string bending.   Abigail joins in with her haunting voice and an even more haunting Wu Fei harmonizes with her.  Reminiscent of Fairport Convention’s, “Come All Ye” (may be the same tune, but different lyrics).  I’m guessing this is a blending of this bluegrass/country/folk tune with another folk tune from Wu Fei’s tradition.  They trade back and forth and end up with an almost chanted duet.  If more bluegrass were like this, it would be way higher on my typical listening list.  Just stunning, there is truly no better word.  I loved and highlighted so many of yours this time, but this one does take the cake. 

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The voting is open :)
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Lewian (continued)
Heilung are using some pagan aesthetics (including what looks like rhunes), and their outfit is very "tribal". The soundscape is dominated by drums. The deep singing voices sound like a sort of mix between Rammstein and central Asian throat singing. I think I have heard them before. The beat gradually builds a tension until there's a break approximately halfway. The music then builds up again. The language sounds made-up. All in all very esoteric, but the music is absolutely not without interesting elements.

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Piers Faccini - Broken Mirror. Contains acoustic guitar and double bass, as well as violin and cello, and then some instruments that I can't recognize right away. Quite melancholic. I like it a lot. Tunng - Woodcat (I had to use one of the alternate links) is not worlds apart from the first one, again based on the acoustic guitar, but this time there are some electronic elements too (they file under folktronica after all). Once again I get associations to Clue to Kalo. Another great piece. Death is the New Sex is different with an electric guitar and more emphasis on electronic sounds, and it is not a soundscape I would normally associate with folk. The composition is clearly folkish though. The song appeals less to me than the other two.

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Espers - Rosemary Lane is obviously inspired by the British folk tradition (I get associations to Scarborough Fair). Just like that one, it is in the Dorian mode. From around 2:10 there is a sudden synthesizer coming in, sometimes playing out of key with the other instruments. Beautiful song. Shirley Collins and the Albion Band contains a rock beat, but there is also a violin. Harmonically it is once again in Dorian. Judging by the sound mix, I guess it is from the 1970's. Just before 2:00, there is a sudden change to a bagpipe drone and a different key. But then in 3:00 we're back to the previous. It sounds like it's based on a traditional folk ballad. 5:50 comes the bagpipe part again, but it appears to be the same melody as in the rock part. Then the song fades out with some sound effects. Dando Shaft: In the Country is in a very different mood, and it contains what sounds like some African drums. There's also a flute. The atmosphere is sort of impressionistic with its dominating maj7 chord. Very pleasant, but there's also a bit of melancholy to it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mathman0806 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2021 at 18:55
I'm prone to impulse shopping when it comes to music, and so I am abandoning all my previous suggestions because I find this stunning.

So my nomination is...

Wu Fei & Abigail Washburn - "The Roving Cowboy / Avarguli"



Two voices, two instruments, and two cultures.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote micky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2021 at 07:35
Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

So the list is updated with what I know so far. Since Logan and Micky have both posted only one song, I assume these are their nominations.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Anders Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2021 at 07:20
So the list is updated with what I know so far. Since Logan and Micky have both posted only one song, I assume these are their nominations.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Shadowyzard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2021 at 06:47
Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

Please notice that the voting will open on Monday.

If I have missed a nomination, please let me know.


I'll nominate Obscurus Orbis' song. I'll be editing my first post now. Smile
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I apologize for not stating it more clearly at the beginning, but my song's title is "Banks of the Nile", and Fotheringay is the name of the band (fronted by Sandy Denny and her husband, Trevor Lucas) that performed it. The song "Fotheringay" by Fairport Convention was submitted for one of these polls a few months ago.
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