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listening to it the third time through.

the more i listen to it the more pissed off i am.

i may have just bought my last steven wilson album.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

It can be tough to talk pop music on this site, it for sure is not in the normal DNA of a hardline prog music fan. The Taylor Swift cover is fine, he likes the song the beat the structure I'm sure and the topic obviously, so I can't judge him or find any reason to fault him for covering one of the most popular singers of the past 10yrs.

Going deeper, it makes sense if SW is trying to reach a different audience than just the furrowed browed 50yr old prog music fan who can't stand at a concert anymore LOL. Lets face it, pop music is where the money is at and SW now is married with a built in family and dog so wage and salary and benefits is now a concern for him....Phil Collins was not able to afford a US$30million water front estate in Miami from just the sales of Foxtrot or SEBTP, no no.
Even if him covering Taylor's song does not get him a duet down the road with her, but maybe some kind of work on her albums as a producer or engineer or studio musician, that would get his name out there even more, let's not forget SW is in his early 50's, I'm sure he'd like his big pay day soon.

I really don't have a problem with the direction he is going musically, but I am not a big fan of the social msg tone of TFB.

I will always listen to his music and go to his concerts, the songs have a deeper pleasure when heard live with the musicians he puts on stage.

This is totally correct. He's trying to reach a different demographic than the fans he cultivated before with Porcupine Tree and his previous solo records. 

I also don't have a problem with him going pop, but I do have a problem with him putting out sub-standard pop instead of putting out something a bit more thoughtful. That is something that Steven Wilson has put out before many times and it's a shame that he decided to drop the ball with this record.


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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I don't think Mr Wilson is hurting for money....he's allegedly worth many millions of pounds/dollars....
and if the music is good like many have said that's what counts.
The new lp doesn't appeal to me this time around but the next one might. 

If so then that is better to me, money wise. 100% what he is doing is for himself and expression......
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I don't think Mr Wilson is hurting for money....he's allegedly worth many millions of pounds/dollars....
and if the music is good like many have said that's what counts.
The new lp doesn't appeal to me this time around but the next one might. 
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It can be tough to talk pop music on this site, it for sure is not in the normal DNA of a hardline prog music fan. The Taylor Swift cover is fine, he likes the song the beat the structure I'm sure and the topic obviously, so I can't judge him or find any reason to fault him for covering one of the most popular singers of the past 10yrs.

Going deeper, it makes sense if SW is trying to reach a different audience than just the furrowed browed 50yr old prog music fan who can't stand at a concert anymore LOL. Lets face it, pop music is where the money is at and SW now is married with a built in family and dog so wage and salary and benefits is now a concern for him....Phil Collins was not able to afford a US$30million water front estate in Miami from just the sales of Foxtrot or SEBTP, no no.
Even if him covering Taylor's song does not get him a duet down the road with her, but maybe some kind of work on her albums as a producer or engineer or studio musician, that would get his name out there even more, let's not forget SW is in his early 50's, I'm sure he'd like his big pay day soon.

I really don't have a problem with the direction he is going musically, but I am not a big fan of the social msg tone of TFB.

I will always listen to his music and go to his concerts, the songs have a deeper pleasure when heard live with the musicians he puts on stage.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

It's an interesting album, whoever it was that said 12 Things stands out is correct - I like the song but it is out of place.

Well, I like it, maybe not as much as Raven but I will be playing it some more. Maybe it's a bit short?

That was likely me, as it was one of the first things that struck me on first listening - just how out of place 12 Things is, I like it, but it doesn’t belong on the album.

Raven is probably my least favourite SW solo album, so TFB easily beats it for me. As to whether it is better than HCE (my favourite SW solo album until now), I’m unsure. But the fact that is even a possibility says a lot for how much I do like it.

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Exactly. There's nothing with pop at all. Some people will not admit to liking it, but some of it is so catchy and it stays in my head for days.

Steven Wilson doing pop since the beginning? Not quite. There are elements of his music that has been pop but he always balanced it very well from other genres. 

For me, it's not about whether it's prog or not, but whether if it was well executed. Peter Gabriel or Kate Bush, for example, made some of the best pop we'll ever hear. Steven Wilson's new album is not very well executed. In fact, I'm bitterly disappointed by it, since To the Bone was pretty good.

Well, we will have to agree to disagree. Or perhaps we even agree, but are coming at the same opinion from different directions. Steven Wilson has been doing pop since the beginning BECAUSE there are elements of his music that have been pop. It’s not so much that he has always balanced it very well from other genres, so much as that he has tried to ignore genres entirely. There has been interview after interview with Wilson over the years, where he has railed against the idea of genre, and pigeonholing any music - let alone his own - into genres.

The Future Bites is no more a pop album than anything else Steven Wilson has done. I’m not even convinced Steven Wilson would be capable of writing a pop album, as that would require him to stick to just one genre, and the tropes of only that genre. He’s not done so, so far, and I don’t expect to zee him do so anytime soon.

This album perhaps has more overt pop elements at times, but as I’ve already stated, those elements have been there since the beginning. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Nothing wrong with Taylor Swift. And there’s nothing wrong with pop. I interviewed Julia Marcell after her prog-pop album Skull Echo was released last year, and one of the things we talked about was the narrow-minded thought processes a lot of so-called progressive fans have towards pop. It’s like it’s anathema to some people if a band dare go pop - especially if they experience commercial success because of it.

As for SW, he has definitely been doing pop since the beginning. The one song that doesn’t work for me as well as the others on TFB is 12 Things, because it is so similar to songs like Lazarus from his past.



Exactly. There's nothing with pop at all. Some people will not admit to liking it, but some of it is so catchy and it stays in my head for days.

Steven Wilson doing pop since the beginning? Not quite. There are elements of his music that has been pop but he always balanced it very well from other genres. 

For me, it's not about whether it's prog or not, but whether if it was well executed. Peter Gabriel or Kate Bush, for example, made some of the best pop we'll ever hear. Steven Wilson's new album is not very well executed. In fact, I'm bitterly disappointed by it, since To the Bone was pretty good.
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It's an interesting album, whoever it was that said 12 Things stands out is correct - I like the song but it is out of place.
I do think this is has been over-hyped and perhaps the concept has p*ssed people off. I've seen people complain how long they've had to wait since pre-ordering it and others don't like the change of direction.
Well, I like it, maybe not as much as Raven but I will be playing it some more. Maybe it's a bit short?

Anyway, I'm afraid it's going on the back burner for a bit as the new Lifesigns album is available for download now. Clap
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^ we're still on that? Confused
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

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No offense, there's way better pop out there.


like what? 


It will take a long time to list that, but even the newest two Taylor Swift albums are better than the newest Steven Wilson album.


god no... 


The new Taylor Swift albums are actually pretty good. They aren’t as well produced, but they don’t make you want to pull out your hair due to the pretentiousness
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Poor Steven. If he does prog he’s chastised for doing retro-music that he preferably should leave to the classic bands..be unique or go home!
Then when he does something different he’s accused of not being true to his pork roots.
He just can’t win.
Personally I would like Steve Wilson to do whatever he feels like. If it’s good music I’ll probably end up buying it - regardless of the tag.

^THIS! Clap

There's something to be said about being obscure. When you go in a different direction, your one or two fans get over it in about 5 to 15 minutes and usually you never know that they were upset to begin with.


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Nothing wrong with Taylor Swift. And there’s nothing wrong with pop. I interviewed Julia Marcell after her prog-pop album Skull Echo was released last year, and one of the things we talked about was the narrow-minded thought processes a lot of so-called progressive fans have towards pop. It’s like it’s anathema to some people if a band dare go pop - especially if they experience commercial success because of it.

As for SW, he has definitely been doing pop since the beginning. The one song that doesn’t work for me as well as the others on TFB is 12 Things, because it is so similar to songs like Lazarus from his past.
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Aaron from the National co-wrote all of the songs on the latest two Taylor Swift albums, including that song. He's a great songwriter and knows how to write good memorable poppy songs.

You say that like it's a good thing. 
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Poor Steven. If he does prog he’s chastised for doing retro-music that he preferably should leave to the classic bands..be unique or go home!
Then when he does something different he’s accused of not being true to his pork roots.
He just can’t win.
Personally I would like Steve Wilson to do whatever he feels like. If it’s good music I’ll probably end up buying it - regardless of the tag.
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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

I think the problem with Steven Wilson is that he's not really good at writing pop. He should stick to his strengths.Embarrassed
And repeat himself 156 times? Why would he do that? He is the artist, so he decides which way to go. He's not some musical bitch! I think he writes great pop songs, and he's done it since the very first Porcupine Tree album - Piano Lessons, Four Chords That Made a Million, Drown With Me, Lazarus, Hand Cannot Erase, My Book of Regrets, Permanating, Song of I are some of the songs that could fit the pop tag, and are pretty cool!

Those are quite different than the direction he's taken on this record. I don't think many of those songs are as good as his more progressive songs. Not even close. He's not Benny Andersson or Paul McCartney.
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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

I think the problem with Steven Wilson is that he's not really good at writing pop. He should stick to his strengths.Embarrassed
And repeat himself 156 times? Why would he do that? He is the artist, so he decides which way to go. He's not some musical bitch! I think he writes great pop songs, and he's done it since the very first Porcupine Tree album - Piano Lessons, Four Chords That Made a Million, Drown With Me, Lazarus, Hand Cannot Erase, My Book of Regrets, Permanating, Song of I are some of the songs that could fit the pop tag, and are pretty cool!
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

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That's fine, but to write her off as just utter-sh*te is not fair. There are far sh*ttier pop records out there like the Future Bites.

I did not say that she's "utter-sh*te" (your words not mine), just that i dislike her. Big difference. 

Fair enough, but then why did Steven Wilson cover a song from Taylor Swift's Folklore album? Embarrassed

Maybe Wilson liked that song. 
I don't know that cover, will you post a listening link, please? 

I already did. Look above.

"meh". 


I bet if you do a sort of an experimental, blind hearing test, people will think differently about that song.
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I think the problem with Steven Wilson is that he's not really good at writing pop. He should stick to his strengths.Embarrassed
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

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That's fine, but to write her off as just utter-sh*te is not fair. There are far sh*ttier pop records out there like the Future Bites.

I did not say that she's "utter-sh*te" (your words not mine), just that i dislike her. Big difference. 

Fair enough, but then why did Steven Wilson cover a song from Taylor Swift's Folklore album? Embarrassed

Maybe Wilson liked that song. 
I don't know that cover, will you post a listening link, please? 

I already did. Look above.

"meh". 
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Aaron from the National co-wrote all of the songs on the latest two Taylor Swift albums, including that song. He's a great songwriter and knows how to write good memorable poppy songs.
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