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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37253 |
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There are definite differences between andies/ replicants and humans, I'm not sure about being relevant or not in what way. I hadn't thought with the film that would need more exploring -- not more exposition. The andies of the novel are quite different from the replicants of the film. It becomes harder to sympathise with andies as they don't have empathy. They are less human than the "more human than human" replicants that have implanted memories. The scene that stayed with me he most in the novel is when J.R finds a spider -- there's so little life due to the war, and when he takes it home, the andies that J.R. (who is a "chickenhead") is helping pull off its legs in front of him much to his distress and horror. That whole Mercer and animal-happiness religious thing is abandoned in the film, even saving up for an electric sheep, but a real one would be preferable, but so much life was wiped out. That said Batty is also sinister in the film, but has redemption and understanding, and ges our sympathy. And Rachael in the book is heartless, she kills Deckard's dog as I recall. In the film she is much more sympathetic. Maybe that difference is the Hollywood touch.
Dick said that the difference between the andies (androids) and the humans is that the andies are incapable of empathy, so they are less human than human, and the capacity for empathy is what defines us, or something like that. One can liken the andies to ruthless psychopaths. A replicant like Batty in the film seems like that, but is also treated far more sympathetically, and I felt sorry for him and the others in the end despite any former violence to try to achieve their goals. I can get why they would take a different path, but in some ways the film seems a little lacking to me in not delving into the animal thing and in abandoning the religious aspect. A film that in some ways feels more Dick to me even though its not based on one of his stories is THX-1138 (the one Lucas film that I love). I can see parallels with that. Edited by Logan - January 28 2021 at 21:46 |
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
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there are actual several relevant differences between androids and humans. I think the action sequences sum up to something between 10 and 15 minutes
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18957 |
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Not too long ago I made a list of about my thirty favorite movies but I think that would be a bit much to post here. Lol. Those I mentioned already of course were on my list. Avatar is not on it though. ;)
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20666 |
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One of my all time favorites.....not sure what my favorite is...have to ponder this for a while. |
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^ BttF II is as enjoyable as the first, for me.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18957 |
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I remember not caring too much for the sequels but I suppose I'll have to watch them again at some point.
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Vompatti ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: October 22 2005 Location: elsewhere Status: Offline Points: 67452 |
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There's maybe two or three short action sequences throughout the whole film and American audiences most likely ran out of popcorn and left the theatre before the first one even started. Plus there are no relevant differences between androids and humans.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37253 |
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You weren't too far off, especially based on long-term memory, my memory was that it was shorter than it is (and I last read it maybe in 2007), like a short novel (less than 200 pages) or novella. I do like the story and prefer it to the film. The film is very stylish and des have a great atmosphere and I love elements of it, and I loved the soundtrack, but yeah, it's more about the sound and look than the story. The Voight-Kampff test is my favourite scene from the film with Deckard and Rachel. Lots of scenes I do like. I actually have bene quite harsh with the film at a sci-fi forum I belonged to. I just felt it was a little vacuous ultimately even if I really like the look of the film. Many films I love I do love more for the visuals than the plot or characterisations. I still love the film Dune, which has lot of action, and is generally lowly regarded (it helps that I didn't read the novel until after watching it. For that matter I was considerably older than I was when I saw Blade Runner, which was considerably years after seeing Blade Runner. The action sequences are fine for me, and I don't remember it being overloaded with them, and they didn't feel gratuitous to me. There's plenty of slow time. I get annoyed with some films that are just chase after chase which don't seem to move the story forward, but this wasn't one of them. Could do a sequel to Run Lola Run called Walk Lola Walk (or as I wrote for a review of it, "Rent Lola Rennt, Rent it Today!" I do wish that there were more faithful adaptations of various Dick works, even those which would need to be expanded on (though he has plenty of novels to choose from). I was enjoying the series The Man in the High Castle, and I felt that the A Scanner Darkly captured the Dickensian (oh wait that term is for Dickens) feel. A lot of Dick works are paranoiac and/or claustrophobic, but also there's humour and a kind of absurdity works of his. He was an odd man. |
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
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it's been at least 25 years since I read the novel; that's why I'm off about its size. "Blade Runner" has such a great atmosphere and could have been such a great movie. these action sequences do in my opinion stand out like a sore thumb and were absolutely unnecessary. Ridley Scott should have replaced these sequences with scenes that explain the differences between androids and human beings in more detail. if this had been done I would agree that "Blade Runner" is a great movie. but American audiences would most like have considered the movie to be boring without these action sequences, and so they were put in
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37253 |
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I know you weren't responding to me, and sorry for snipping... I've read it multiple times and own a copy, and remembered it being more of a novella. I mean I think of 1984 (which I have read a dozen times) as a short novel, but it's 328 pages (depending on which version you read, the page size and the print size, my version is 200 something)). My copy of Androids is closer to 200 pages (220 I think in checking, it's in storage unfortunately as are many of my books ). According to one site it's 258 pages, and 77,142 words (so hardly a short story while not being a read that would take many hours -- a nice read for one evening). It's not like so many of his other short stories that have been adapted. I have a paperbook of various of his short stories which has 9 in 290 pages, including the one that the film Minority report was based on (44 pages), Imposter which was also turned into a not very good film (15 pages), the one that Total Recall was based on (23 pages) the one that the film Screamers was based on (50 pages), just saw the film again recently. It's hardly big print, mind you. And now for something completely Dickerent: Monty Python's The Meaning of Life. This doesn't get the respect that The Life of Brian and the Holy Grail get (and I love those too),but the Meaning of Life has my favourite Python material (a s cohesive film, I think Life of Brian is fantastic). But I want to highlight In the Mood for Love (Wong Kar-wai). I found it such a beautiful film to watch, and really like the way that it is framed visually. For a while east Asian cinema was my favourite (French too). Tampopo from Japan is another favourite. I did a mega-list of some of my favourites before (including my favourite directors), but that is it outside of the purview of this topic. There are advantages to focusing on one at a time even if, like me, you have many favourites (each one being your favourite of its particular ilk an in its own way). Of ones that I have watched in the last couple of years, In Bruges I loved (that was recommended to me at the forum). |
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^ True, but it's a great flick whether you're into Kennedy or not. |
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65623 |
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I don't really have a favorite, but I guess JFK comes close.
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I concur, we love watching all of them.
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I'll throw in a few more movies that are favourites of mine: "Don't Look Now!" by Nicolas Roeg "Repulsion" by Roman Polanski "De vierde man" ("The Fourth Man") by Paul Verhoeven "Belle de Jour" ("Beauty of the Day"; also French for "Morning Glory", a flower of the genus Ipomoea) by Luis Buñuel "De Wisselwachter" ("The Pointsman") by Jos Stelling
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I will definitely add Back to the Future to my list. One of the most fun movies of all time.
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first of all, "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" was not a short story but a full-blown novel of about 300 pages. second: let me explain why I dislike the movie. 80-85% of the movie are great, and had the rest of the movie been like that it would probably have been in my top 50, though not higher. but unfortunately they aren't; Ridley Scott had to put in these awful action sequences which totally ruin the movie for me. these action sequences were only put in for the American audience; they would have fallen asleep during the movie had it not been for them. but for me they TOTALLY ruin the rest of the movie. these action sequences just don't fit with the atmosphere of the movie. these 15-20% that I don't like should have been spent into explaining the differences between androids and humans, which in my opinion were not been made clear in the movie
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Here are some others:
Dave Awakening (DeNiro, Robin W) Runaway Jury The Lives of Others Shawshank Redemption Usual Suspects Trading Places Shining Through Seven Pounds A Time to Kill (the end scene is ...impressive) and some oldies: To Catch a Thief North by Northwest The Train Where Eagles Dare Seven Days in May To Sir, with Love The Andromeda Strain The Battle of Algiers L' Aveu Fail safe Judgment at Nuremberg (with one of the greatest scenes ever!) = ask me.... and my fave B-movie+ Forbin-the Colossus Project ![]() |
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