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Prog Archives has been around since 2002. The mp3s were removed for legal reasons/ copyright issues, and bandwidth concerns could be an additional factor. There are many acts that would want music samples to be available on PA, and there are ones that submitted music for the player, but to try to manage only including ones which have all the right permissions would be very onerous. Originally they were downloads, then streaming, then gone. Before I joined as Logan, I spent a long time heavily listening to the mp3s. I discovered a huge amount of music thanks to those and got to understand the categories well in large part to those. I found those useful for my research. I don't miss the mp3s because I found other ways to discover and taste music after I stopped using the PA mp3s, and these days I'm more interested in discovering "non-Prog" music, although a huge amount could fit under a wide prog umbrella. I actually do spend more time listening to podcasts and radio plays than music.

The forums are one way that I have discovered a huge amount of music, and I have enjoyed that participatory way to discover things of interest. Others won't always share my interests (my interests are commonly quirky), so I can't always "connect" with people here when it comes to my passions.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

How do you only have 4 points after 10yrs???

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Yeah, seriously. When did he notice that MP3s were gone? Just now? Confused
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Darrell,

Thank you for your response. I will list a few bands that I enjoy. Let me know if your familiar with them or if they are your style. If these aren't, I can suggest others. I am leaving out the known prog bands. Please suggest bands to me also. I'm always looking for new music.

Thank You Scientist, Big Big Train, The Aristocrats, Special Providence, Echolyn, Sanguine Hum, Haken, French TV, Riverside, Frost*, Lonely Robot, Ske, Discipline, FAT (Fabulous Austrian Trio), Freak Kitchen, Frogg Cafe, Helmet of Gnats, Hiromi (especially the trio material), Izz, Mike Keneally, Marco Minnemann, Phideaux, Simon Phillips Protocol, Richard Henshall, Antoine Fafard, The Psychedelic Ensemble, Sylvan, Them Moose Rush, Tauk, Thieves' Kitchen, Body Hound, Intervals (latest one), Nova Collective, and Allan Holdsworth (maybe well know, but amazing).

Cheers,
Will


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Hey Grumpyprogfan

I don't know when Prog Archives first started on the internet. But I became aware of the site, not long after it first started. And it was common for me to spend hours every day, going through it's pages. And I think almost since it's beginning, it had a player on it's homepage that was loaded with new MP3s. And then any page that was dedicated to a band, also had a separate player of MP3s specific to that band. So it was in that respect, a true archive. Because every MP3 that was ever loaded onto the site, was archived. Eventually being stored on the page of the band that created that music.

As for finding new music. In some ways, my saying that, could be somewhat misleading. More accurately, I come to find music new to me. It may be music that was released many years ago, but that I have never heard, or I'm not aware of yet. And I'm usually always open to hearing anything once. So I like having the opportunity to listen to anything that I haven't heard yet. Especially if that specific band has created a verifiable reputation, that says they're worth hearing. But it's also true that I'm always open to hearing newly released music. Especially in the genres that are represented on Prog Archives.

I haven't spent much time in the forums. So I'm not really aware of the trend that you spoke of. Where you said there's a focus on many of the old prog groups. I grew up with those groups, and have an appreciation of them. But I've never been the type that could stop looking for something new. For example, one of the most respected prog releases of all time by Yes; Close To The Edge. Some time before that album was released, I read a review of that album, in some magazine that I subscribed to at the time. And I mailordered that album in vinyl, not long after I read that review. Because I was familiar with some of Yes' previous music, and was excitedly anticipating any new music they would release. To this day, that's still one of my favorite prog albums.

But I can't allow myself to get stuck in the past. I'm also very interested in any of the newer bands that you can find on Prog Archives. This is especially true in the Symphonic Prog, Progressive Rock, Progressive Metal, Crossover Prog, Eclectic Prog, Heavy Prog and Fusion genres. There are a few other genres that I also like, but those are the main ones. Tell me something about the genres or bands that you like. I think it's worth exploring some conversation back and forth, to see if there's anything that we could recommend to each other. That's something I like doing.

As for the other prog sites that you mentioned. I am aware of DPRP, and I've also spent a lot of time on that site and go back to it regularly. And Bandcamp and Spotify aren't specific to prog, but they're both pretty good. I especially like Bandcamp, because it's common for a band to have their entire CDs loaded onto that site. And there's a lot of bands from Prog Archives, that also have a presence on Bandcamp. In a few cases, I wanted to buy a band's CD from Bandcamp. But that specific band didn't create a CD, and only MP3s were available. I really like having a disc version of the music, to use for backup just in case the MP3 version somehow gets lost. I haven't heard of the other prog sites that you mentioned, so thanks for those. I'll try and get to those sites at some time in the near future, as time allows.

I just wanted to give you a reply. Because of the quality of your reply, plus the empathy you showed. I'm recently without work, because of the pandemic. And I have a lot of free time, that's partially used in communicating. Thanks and hope to hear from you again. My real name is Darrell.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2020 at 10:38
How do you only have 4 points after 10yrs???

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Hi,

I'm almost positive that there is some legal reason for this removal, that counsel probably said ... just remove it before the time comes for someone to get a wild hair up their bum!

I like to "discover" the music by myself ... I like to say that the music has a way to always find me ... and I wish/hope more folks would do that instead of relying on someone else's comments and samples ... many of which, sometimes do not exemplify the band properly.

I think this was a reflex based on the late 60's and 70's when you discovered music, buy the album cover or by accident ... there were no samples, and no articles and PA wasn't even conceived yet! A lot of us "happened" to find the music, and yeah, sometimes this friend or that friend had RUSH, or that one had a lot ZAPPA, and other things, none of which were exactly "hits" and did not have regular listenership until FM radio in America got its feet in the early 70's to make a HUGE statement about new music, that regular radio did not have or want. Even the BBC fought this concept in England ... they did not want competition or other stations and made a point (later) of only allowing them to have a very limited listening area ... which would not exactly change the landscape of music ... but it did anyway ... without regard to the BBC, although a show or two were helpful ... but one hour or two weekly is helpful? Not sure about that!

MP3's have been at it for 20+ years, and the abuse has been too much, and it needs to have better controls, many of which should (rightly) belong to the artist, and someone showing a small segment ... is nice, but not exactly exemplary of the artistry most of the time!


Edited by moshkito - July 30 2020 at 06:57
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You can also check out progstreaming.nl for new releases. It may be rewarding now and then.
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I never knew PA posted MP3's. You are one of the few that come to this site to find new music. Good for you. Besides the members that review new music, there is little or no discussion of new bands on the PA forums. If your tastes don't agree with others, forum topics discussing new bands die quickly. Now if you want discuss a release from 50 years ago... bands like Genesis, KC, Yes, etc. this is the place to be.

Websites like DPRP, The Prog Repot, Sonic Perspectives, Progradar, and others, review new music and have samples. That is an option. But as you say, the more obscure artists won't be featured at these sites or bandcamp, Spotify, and others. So I understand your lament.

Edited by Grumpyprogfan - July 30 2020 at 06:44
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2020 at 04:57
There are plenty of ways to listen to a band's music if you want samples before committing to a purchase - I use Spotify to listen to a lot of new bands that appear in Prog magazine and if I like them I will buy the CD. A lot of bands are on Bandcamp and usually have a sample track you can listen to and a lot of bands have their own websites.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote beholdtheman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2020 at 01:28

First I'd like to say..... This isn't a criticism. It's really more a lament..... It's about the removal of MP3s from the Prog Archives site.

Prog Archives has been my own personal homepage, almost since it's beginning. I became aware of Prog Archives, very near the beginning, when it first arrived on the internet. And it was my habit to spend a lot of time going through it's pages. I have a lifelong interest in Prog, and many of the other genres on this site. So it was common for me to come onto the site, and spend many hours reading and listening. Simply out of a passion for finding new good music to listen to.

Added to all this, is the fact that I've never really made a lot of money in my life. And too many times in the past, I'd bought recorded music before hearing any preview, and came to find I didn't like the band. The result, was having bought a CD to listen to once, and then have it go unused forever. So the free MP3s were a good way for me to listen to a band, before buying any of their music. After I'd established that I liked their music, then I was more likely to buy their CDs. So in a very real way, the free MP3s could eventually lead to some income for that band. They were a very good way of previewing the music. Since the MP3s were removed, I've still maintained the Prog Archives as my homepage. But now it's far more difficult to hear any of these bands, before buying anything.

I know that the MP3s were removed from this site a long time ago. But I still long for the time, when I could go onto the site and have a chance to listen to new music. It was really one of the great pleasures of my life. And I owe a great debt of gratitude, to all the people responsible for keeping this site up for all these years. They're the main reason, that I've been able to discover and hear so many great bands. And I really, really miss being able to come and listen to new music. Even after all this time.

I can recall, in the not-too-distant past. Coming home from work, and hurriedly going to the Prog Archives site. To check if there was any new music, loaded onto the player on their home page. And the excitement that I would feel, when I saw that someone had recently uploaded multiple new tunes to that player. Having that opportunity to discover all those new bands and music, was one of the great pleasures of my life. And over time I gradually found many new bands that I came to like. And came to discover new genres that I also came to like.

I know there are many other free sources on the internet, for being able to hear many of these bands. But there are still bands that for whatever reason, aren't able to have sites. And it might be that someone among the Prog Archives group, would have some of this band's music. And could then, submit some of it to the site, as an MP3. In many ways this could actually be a service to such a group. That for whatever reason wasn't able to have a site for their own MP3s. It could establish a wider audience for that band, and give the band a greater chance of commercial success.

I've been wanting to say this, since I first saw that MP3s were removed from Prog Archives. And with my recent loss of work, I was finally able to make some time to for this writing. I don't really expect these words to change anything; I really understand why the MP3s were taken away; it's a valid reason. But in a perfect world, there would be a way for Prog Archives to keep posting them. And the Prog Archives group would keep sharing them through this site. And this would continue throughout the Prog Archives community, in our ongoing evolution through music.

Prog Archives is very good at providing a means to introduce us to so many types of important music. And I'm interested in hearing what anyone else might want to contribute to this conversation. Because being able to listen, is the very core of why we're all coming to this site.

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