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Poll Question: How do you rate this album?
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2 [2.74%]
1 [1.37%]
1 [1.37%]
6 [8.22%]
18 [24.66%]
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while I think moonchild is overly long, I still think that the album is 10/10 because it is part of the whole picture.  They were basically scattering a half dozen or more new genres of popular music to the 4 winds.  So bold, and often beautiful
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Definitely 10/10.
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Originally posted by Enchant X Enchant X wrote:

I do have a problem with moonchild , for me it drags the album down to an 8 Shocked

if ones listens to "Moonchild" with the right attitude one can't help but loving it. once again: the best track of the album! and I am absolutely serious about this


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I do have a problem with moonchild , for me it drags the album down to an 8 Shocked
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Exceptional. 9 out of 10 for me. After all these years, I still get a frisson of emotion when spinning Epitaph especially.

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

8/10

for importance and impact - 10/10
deducted a couple of points for the weak production and also for the tedium that is Moonchild (life is way too short)


I have explained many times that "Moonchild" is anything but a tedium.

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=97438&KW=Moonchild&PID=4954031#4954031

since the link I gave to "Moonchild" no longer works in that post here a new link:


the explanation I gave is the reason why "Moonchild" is my favorite track from that album


Edited by BaldJean - June 21 2020 at 03:24


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8/10.

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8/10

for importance and impact - 10/10
deducted a couple of points for the weak production and also for the tedium that is Moonchild (life is way too short)
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Hi,

Considering that it is way more than just an "album" of music, and in particular, it fits as an incredible snapshot of the time and place ... it means that the 10 is a must. 

Sadly, because folks do not "see" or "relate" to the events at the time, that helped bring about the music in the album ... specially things like "Epitaph" being about losing your friends to bombs or in Vietnam gives it an edge that is really hard to not relate to for many of us that were "there" at the time, and know the harshness that so many of these artistic events faced. But everyone seems to think that it was all just fun and games and pop music.

"I talk to the Wind" has a poetic meaning, that I believe is misunderstood and it stands for a lot of GREAT WORK in music at the time that was ignored, WITH or WITHOUT words ... no one seems to have heard anything, and no one gave a damn after it all ... the comments and the dislikes for the song, is sad ... it is a very honest expression, and deserves a lot better ... and of course ... it wasn't heard because the wind carried away the words from your ears!
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8 sounds about right.
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Another album I love from start to finish. 
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I'll give it an 8 as well. Good but not perfection, and not the best KC either
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9/10 - Excellent and a milestone album. I know it isn’t the done thing to say on PA, but the second bit of Moonchild did lose its charm slightly after the first five or so listens.....especially as you knew what joys were awaiting you in next half inch of vinyl!
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No problem with Moonchild as it is here either.
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I gave it an 8 out of 10. I was almost tempted to give it a 9 out of 10 but too much of moonchild is just too noodly and not really very musical imo(I know the Baldies will disagree :P). I don't hate it though and it's actually good for zoning out to but it's not anywhere near the level of everything else on the album.

Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - June 20 2020 at 13:02
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10/10 because of the music, historical significance and influence of this album.
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9/10....a Crimson fan and that's perhaps my favorite,  but I don't think I have ever given a 10 to any lp.
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Exceptional. 9 out of 10 for me. After all these years, I still get a frisson of emotion when spinning Epitaph especially.
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8 out of 10 for me. I love the whole album, though the improv following Moonchild does go on a bit. Still a landmark album. They did better, and these days i prefer Poseidon over the debut.
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