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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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the brown bomber.. that rules all kinds of heaven and hell.. so much more you can ignore the musical sh*t stain that is Thank You... even Zep could wiff once in awhile..
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Squonk19 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 03 2015 Location: Darlington, UK Status: Offline Points: 4789 |
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Graffiti > IV > II > I > Houses > III > Presence > Door > Coda.
The Houses of the Holy tracks definitely are better live and I would promote the album higher if the production and vocals were so much stronger. |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Jaketejas ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 27 2018 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 2188 |
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Here's the one I was thinking of by the Beatles … opening chords to Michelle: Love Page's use of the chords, though. I think he throws a nice chord inversion in there (voicing). And, then that transition to the next part. Sublime. But, don't listen to it TOO MUCH! |
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13238 |
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Great review of Presence.
Actually, Bukka White did not write or originally play "Nobody's Fault But Mine", that was Blind Willie Johnson in 1927. The song was already in the public domain by 1976. That voice. Killer! |
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uduwudu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 17 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2601 |
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Presence. It gets a mauling. People moaned when there were acoustic numbers, then when there were none they moaned about the absence on Presence. No radio hits here really. This was and is deep cut stuff. Their Wish You Were Here to Zep IV's Dark Side. Throw in Station To Station and we have a trifecta of what great 70s rock was really about. Achilles Last Stand with that minor 6 intro and the journey and sections throughout. Outstanding drumming and restraind solos as Jimmy Page applies his art. The reason I lik listening to Zeppelin is listening to this guy play (which he does very well here). For Your Life is what happens to You Shook Me (also brilliant). Exceptional solo. Royal Orleans. Rhythm section madness as Plant negotiates the dynamics. Bonzo exceptional as the band, under pressure at the time, delivers material that even if a sog was not great is easily disguised by their stunning ability to play the hell out of anything. Nobody's Fault But Mine. Unlike Whole Lotta Love only the lyrics are nicked - Zeppelin took all of Bukka White's riff (his arrangement for the number) and Willie Dixon's lyrics and "wrote" that one. (White's was on utube for a while but seems to have vanished. Worse than their "writing" In My Time Of Dying ten years or so after Bob Dylan first covered it. But other than that, for me unforgivable blemish, deliberate plagiarism Nobody's Fault is bliss. Here Page has a killer riff. Never fouled up in concert it is a sublime piece of how blues can really be progressed. Stunning solo and the band are just fantastic. Next up Hots On For Nowhere and Candy Store Rock are the only weaker moments. Good performances on songs that are is search for a melody or hook. Nice rhythmic approach but that's it... Ok but needed some more thought. I know Page Plant made Tea For One into a medley with SIBLY but really they are very separate. Another ultra cool opening riff and then of all things it slows down to a crawl. The ride cymbal guides us through this desperate blues. The lyrics are complemented by the deep soul of Page's guitar work which both understated and sublime in it's haze. It's long but it is worth every moment. More solos, more performance, more spontaneity more cohesion, no stupid lyrics (That Going to California moment). No excessive vocal ad libs that annoy some. Epics standing toe to toe with the best of the others, though really only Kashmir is equal. Levee and Stairway are sublime and close and Dazed is possibly a good source of many ideas they get for this. No pop songs, this is hard core rock at it's most uncompromising. It is dripping in atmosphere as well. Context and comparison. So a couple of tunes probably needed a little more thought (I am perfectly happy to be wrong here), doesn't take away from the most complete album statement. Parts of Zep 1 (most of side 1) couple of moments off Zep 2, most of Zep 3 and 4, 3/4 of HoTH Just want to say their choice of No Quarter was the wrong one. The Electric Ladyland recordings are close to the concert ones at 10 minutes and sound way more cool and interesting. A bit of editing of guitars and take three is the one.. Most of PG also (In The Light a little under cooked, like Candy and Hots. Seaside is nice but a little featureless for such a slow number - go directly to Tea For One. If we forgive Plant that most wretched of 70s rock lyric topic for Sick Again we have to accept the same drivel on For Your Life. But his performance of both particularly the latter is outstanding and hides the drivel - rock stars moaning about groupies and cocaine. Such hard, miserable lives. A tear. Side 2 or tracks 4, 5, and 6 may be the best side of rock ever released for Graffiti which, if spit into different albums might have given Presence runs for their money. Close but the performance and cohesion of Presence gives it the edge. But that side 2 of Graffiti... Like the multiple sectioned performances of Dazed And Confused in concert and probably No Quarter live this is the sort of thing where no one can ever get anywhere near Led Zeppelin. Though Rainbow came close with Long Live Rock and Roll as Blackmore tried to do his version of Graffiti. Lady Of the Lake is his "rewrite" of the Wanton Song. Now if that one had turned up on Presence instead... |
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Jaketejas ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 27 2018 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 2188 |
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My sentiments exactly! |
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13238 |
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Descending scales as found in the intro to Stairway to Heaven have been around forever. Which is why the whole Spirit lawsuit is a joke. Here, 17th century and in the public domain for a few hundred years: Or another 400 year old folk song as played by The Modern Folk Quartet in 1963 Edited by The Dark Elf - June 04 2020 at 19:44 |
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Jaketejas ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 27 2018 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 2188 |
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65701 |
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^Plant was describing (in veiled terms) what the band had been through to that point-- by '71 they were gods, had been thoroughly battered by the press, and they all hated flying on airplanes which they had to do in order to tour. Huge success and Peter Grant's relentless tour & recording schedule didn't help. But yeah, those lyrics are far from his best. |
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19032 |
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Let me guess. It makes you want to punch Robert Plant on the nose?
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13238 |
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“Going to California” would be a great Zeppelin song for me except the absolutely stupid lyrical passage: Seems that the wrath of the Gods Got a punch on the nose and it started to flow I think I might be sinking... You've got this really excellent acoustic mood song going, then all of a sudden Robert Plant shrieks some utterly dumb lyrics. It annoys me every time I hear it.
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65701 |
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^ Everyone who owned an original vinyl pressing knows it ... well most did, it was sort of a 'secret'. |
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Tom Ozric ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15926 |
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Maybe some things about In Through the Out Door some folks here didn’t know :
There are several different scenes of the album cover photo (not the paper bag ha ha) and if one was to take a wet paint-brush to the inner sleeve it would ‘magically’ become colourful ! Or perhaps everyone knew this ?? |
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13238 |
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I would say Physical Graffiti, IV and II would be the most logical choices as their best (or I could come up with logical arguments for any of them), with HotH, I and III following in a 2nd tier. Although I personally like Presence, I don't think it's on the same level, and I think even less of Up the Down Escalator.
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Houses of the Holy slightly over II.
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For me it's Physical Graffiti followed very closely by both III and Houses of the Holy.
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No accounting for taste. I find Presence and ITTOD to be fairly boring myself but my guess is someone voted for it as a joke.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19032 |
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It's kind of tricky for LZ. One could easily say that CTTE is the best Yes album even if it isn't their personal favorite. Another example might be Moving Pictures for Rush. The line between what one considers to be the best and what is their personal favorite can get blurred quite easily. For LZ it would most likely be(imo) 2, HotH or 4 but even those albums all have some stuff that could be considered a bit weak.
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20671 |
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I'm surprised only 20 people have voted in the poll.....there must be a lot of Zep fans here.
Went with Zoso....mostly due to 3 tracks...Battle, Stairway and Levee....like the first 7 though and almost went with the first due to it's bombastic debut. Also think Houses to be very good other than those two strange diversions into 'funk'. PG would have made a killer single...too many 'xtra' tracks for me to say it's their best.
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