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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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I agree that some were lumped into a New Age category, as some companies had no idea what to do with them, and it was very popular for a time, giving people with a more classical bent, or, like Michael Hedges, really their very own music style. You know I agree with you on Alan Stivell, one of my favourites for what he did for the harp, and the combining of electric elements with it.
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18169 |
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Hi, Born in Portugal and with a lot in my mind, the Spanish Guitar and its use and ability was one of the first things that appears to have appeared in Spain the the era that became known as "progressive", but for my ears it was more about folks adding electric materials to the incredible amount of folk music that Spain already had! At that time, I got a handle on ECM, and immediately loved to hear Egberto Gismonti, whose guitar work in those early days is, fantastic, to say the list, and like the exploratory musician he was (and is!), he used it in all combinations, but his work with Jan Garbarek, Charlie Haden, Nene Vasconcellos and a handful of others when he was at the guitar ... was astounding and so beautiful, and it ended up me calling it "Brazilian Guitar" after the Spanish style. Egberto was a bit of an "ambient" player in his early days and the stuff in "Solo", and the releases around that time are incredible ... a sort of welcome to my living room and here we go kinda thing, and it will go for quite sometime. And he wasn't the only "guitar" person in ECM ... Terje Rypdal was doing the same "sound spheres" with an electric guitar including the one album with David Darling (EOS) that was the best classical music chamber music with an electric guitar (skip the first cut!!!) ... and it was truly exceptional. John Abercrombie also comes to mind. (spelling!)
I never cared or liked the "new age" thing, as most of its music was formulaic and it was designed to make you think that this and that was the right thing, and for the most part, sometimes I like to refer to it as a "bored housewife" hope for something else ... and something that pretends to be an illusion is always good, and a lot of the music out of it was rendered ridiculous, so a little choir is a bunch of angels, and this and that represents this and that ... and a lot of the music was not exactly composed, but simply based on the sound ... over and out! The music, itself, was no longer important, and calling it "music" like I did in the hip store here in Portland, was insulting the "new music" of the spheres! I merely asked ... but is it music? Kitaro started out way back when as a regular keyboard artist and had nothing to do whatsoever with the new age stuff ... and I think that he knew his music and work well enough to not need the "new age" folks, but he was at the time one of the best known keyboard artists ... since none of these ladies in this Portland store liked Jean Michel Jarre, had no idea how much classical music and soundtracks Ryuichi had done, or ever heard of Mike Oldfield (too much rock music!!!) ... and so on ... and when I even mentioned Alan Stivell, it was like I mentioned the devil in a store that worshiped the ground that Enya lived on! it was NOTHING but a control mechanism for their business ... had nothing to do with anything else! And their workshops were an illusion where the "women leaders" got their place in the front and talked about stuff they thought they were interested in but they had a cushy job and husband ... end of story! Mr. Hedges is very good and deserves all the credit he never really got ... one of the great ones!
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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Well, we were both very lucky, although he's gone to the other side, now. Still, I smile every day when I think of him, because of how we changed each other's lives for the better.
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Jaketejas ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 27 2018 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 2188 |
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My husband's mom took him to a Segovia concert when he was five and he asked her if she would get him a guitar. She did, and also found one of his proteges to teach him (grew up in the Los Angeles area). We have a boxful of signed Segovia LPs. We listen(ed) to many of these fine guitarists. There is a reason why they are so noted! And thank you for remarking on the intersections of these various genres. [/QUOTE] You’re telling me that he experienced all that AND he is married to a Prog enthusiast? Your husband is, to quote ELP, a Lucky Man! Edited by Jaketejas - June 04 2020 at 19:31 |
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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Second time today I've heard of the Oldfield Spheres recording (which I have not heard, so will look it up). I've really enjoyed Anthony Phillips latest "Strings of Light," recording.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19037 |
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I recently ordered a Tony Banks classical cd(six pieces for orchestra). Also, Mike Oldfield has a good one called Music Of The Spheres which some of you might like.
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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Yes, there is definitely an interface between prog and New Age, as well as prog and classical. As far as straight up classical guitar goes, I love the usual suspects: Andre Segovia (RIP), Christopher Parkening, Julian Bream, Scott Tennant, Liona Boyd, Elliot Fisk, Narcisso Yepes (RIP), John Williams (the OTHER one, who incidentally was in a nice Prog band called Sky), Kim Chung, among others. My all-time favorite is Christopher Parkening, as he could play pieces by Bach like nobody's business. But, I like different guitarists for different pieces. Julian Bream plays my favorite Bach piece, BWV1000, really nicely. Segovia and Kim Chung played Recuerdos de La Alhambra beautifully. Still, Parkening was so good at changing his tone based on hand position, especially on pieces like Jesu Joy of Man's Desiring. [/QUOTE]My husband's mom took him to a Segovia concert when he was five and he asked her if she would get him a guitar. She did, and also found one of his proteges to teach him (grew up in the Los Angeles area). We have a boxful of signed Segovia LPs. We listen(ed) to many of these fine guitarists. There is a reason why they are so noted! And thank you for remarking on the intersections of these various genres.
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Jaketejas ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 27 2018 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 2188 |
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Yes, there is definitely an interface between prog and New Age, as well as prog and classical. As far as straight up classical guitar goes, I love the usual suspects: Andre Segovia (RIP), Christopher Parkening, Julian Bream, Scott Tennant, Liona Boyd, Elliot Fisk, Narcisso Yepes (RIP), John Williams (the OTHER one, who incidentally was in a nice Prog band called Sky), Kim Chung, among others. My all-time favorite is Christopher Parkening, as he could play pieces by Bach like nobody's business. But, I like different guitarists for different pieces. Julian Bream plays my favorite Bach piece, BWV1000, really nicely. Segovia and Kim Chung played Recuerdos de La Alhambra beautifully. Still, Parkening was so good at changing his tone based on hand position, especially on pieces like Jesu Joy of Man's Desiring.
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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Definitely a Vangelis fan, too.
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Offline Points: 43953 |
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^^ I also like Einaudi, Vangelis, Kitaro, Karunesh, Tomita & Yanni. and several other artists who are known by just one name, including Madonna.
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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I listen to some Philip Glass, also quite familiar with Michael Hedges. I feel that Kitaro moves in and out of both classical and New Age (and enjoy some of his work as well). Another composer I enjoy who seems to do both, at least to my ear, is Ludovico Einaudi. I like some New Age, but want it to not be too airy and light. I'm not fond of super-discordant modern classical, however, either.
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I enjoy classical guitar, and I love how guitarists used to incorporate classical guitar into progressive rock pieces. It was part and parcel of a lot of 70s prog, but these days there is a tendency toward heavier sounds and more atonal character. One of the subtleties of classical guitar is that some notes will ring out and remain present during and following chord changes (sometimes they are pedal tones), whereas these days the chord changes are, more often than not, very abrupt and harsh on the ears. Kitaro! Now that is a name I haven't heard in quite a long time. Do you think of Kitaro as being more classical or New Age? When, you mentioned the person hitting the piano, that reminded me of the late Michael Hedges, who used to do that with guitar to create percussive effects. I highly recommend his album "Aerial Boundaries", especially the song "Ragamuffin", on which he does use this percussive effect. I can't get the link to work, but if anyone is interested, they can copy and paste: Studio version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv20EbwIhTE&feature=youtu.be Live version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ulWPVb8t44&feature=youtu.be Edited by Jaketejas - June 04 2020 at 14:33 |
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Offline Points: 43953 |
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My favourite album by Mike Oldfield is his classical album: Music of the Spheres
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18169 |
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Hi, A lot of the earlier electronic music was much more difficult to listen to than it is today ... when a lot in our ears has already listened to enough of it, that it allows the listener to make a comment about the music, but the biggest thing about the early day stuff is that a lot of it was experimental, and I go way back to the FORBIDDEN PLANET soundtrack, and then to the 60's with the likes of Beaver & Krause and even the Tibetan Bells series that came out in those early days which were not electronic, but really, almost had the same feel when you were listening ... what is this all about? Beaver & Krause were, however, more into making sure that the synthesizer was not strange and could create some sounds that your ear could resolve, a lot of nature sounds, and stuff that became well known and respected by a lot of later generation synthesizer folks ... including TD. Nowadays, I have not heard enough to make a judgement, however there are quite a few exploratory piano/synth players and their stuff is interesting, but I can not say how it fits with electronic music, although it does not "sound" to me as if it was meant to be a classical styled composition ... since the sound side of things is more important, it seems, than the ensuing music put together ... but this is a bit of another story since the ability to mike and amplify these things, now allows for sound creation that was rarely there before ... like for example, it used to be bad and insulting to use your hands to hit the piano itself (not the notes), but after everyone saw KE do it many times (Rachel Flowers shows it well several times -- much more visible in the piano/organ versions of his music), it became normal ... I have albums by one woman in Japan that does this a lot on her work ... and it is amplified and touched up by sound effects to a small degree. But, honestly, to me, the stuff that Vangelis does, that Ryuichi Sakamoto does (for the most part), the stuff that Kitaro did (and still does? Haven't listened lately to him), was "contemporary classical music" to my ears, as was Tomita, although some folks have commented that he was just an interpreter not exactly a composer! Even Mike Oldfield fits, although I think that in his last few years he has been more repetitive than he has been creative, and I think he just needs to get out and go smell some flowers and enjoy a little more life, and stop being stuck in the cocoon that mostly allows him to only repeat himself ... even his sister has evolved more, and is now much more interesting than he is.
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Offline Points: 43953 |
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I'm a big fan of Philip Glass, so much so that I started a PA blog for him, although my hopes of finding other Philip Glass fans here were shattered like a Glass House.
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I got into contemporary classical music after a post here led me to explore the music of 1966 (fifty years ago at the time). Not being impressed by the rock music I started looking at what else an experimental music lover could have listened to back then, and was very surprised to find what had been going on in the “classical” world.
It took a while to get used to the different sounds and structures but my favourites now are Birtwistle, Boulez, Crumb, Ligeti, Nono, Penderecki, Scelsi, Schnittke, Takemitsu, Varese, Xenakis and a few works of Stockhausen. You might find a few free downloads on archive.org to get a bit of a taster.
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I love those to but I do listen to Contemporary Classic Music
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Listened that Tüür-symphony, he´s not also fully my cup of tea, but anyway lot more interesting than Saariaho. Really loved Evelyn´s percussion work in it, it´s really funny I just read again Björk´s book and Evelyn was also in her "MTV Unplugged"-concert! I am not really a big drumsolo-fan, but when it´s as fascinating as it is in Evelyn, I could listen it endless (I think only ones as great I know are Bill Bruford, Neil Peart & Pierre Moerlen). And what´s more fascinating she´s deaf! Really would like to see her play sometime in the future! Also I liked the marimba parts after those great percussion parts. I noticed Tüür´s fifth symphony has electric guitar, I think I will listen it some day.
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