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[/QUOTE]Cindy, when lung cancer and diabetes become the main illnesses of world wide pandemics, we can continue this discussion.

Are you saying that you can't catch lung cancer or diabetes from other people? Granted.  If so, what does it matter to vaccinated people, if their chances of dying from catching covid are less than 1 in 10 million?  "My body, my choice" seems to be more important than two vaccinated people dying from Covid worldwide. 


 It's always a case of apples and oranges with your ilk. You asked for reasons why people should care about non vaccinated people but failed to state why you don't. What's your libertarian's view on why people needlessly dying is no big deal. The shot is free. It doesn't cost anything. The side effects are rare. It keeps people from dying needlessly. So, what's your beef with it? Why does a health professional like you fail to care about the health of others?[/QUOTE

Vaccination side effects have killed at least a thousand times more people, than vaccinated people who died of covid. 

If the shots are free than how come Pfizer's stock price has almost tripled since Trump first mentioned vaccines? Taxes pay for vaccinations. Pfizer's earnings did not appear out of thin air.

My only problem with the vaccine?  People should be allowed to choose for themselves. I think it's the law of the land.  I've been vaccinated. That said, it's none of my business if you get vaccinated.  What gives me the right?  Since I've been vaccinated, you are no threat to my life.  

I care plenty about the health of people. However, that does not give me the right to interfere with people's freedom of choice.  I care about babies.  That said, I don't condemn women for getting abortions. It's their legal right- "My body, my choice." 
 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2021 at 12:15
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Side effects are unknown and with all the illegal censorship one has to wonder.
False. The same side effects are notable in previous RNA therapies.

I guess you know better than the guy who actually invented the mRNA technology back in the late 80’s. 

This technology can be used for incorporating a host of different directives.  Think of it as software for the body. 

For covid it’s a set of instructions for the body or more specifically for the cells to make spike proteins.  This has never been done before..

In case you forgot from yesterday:

I hope you’re right that the mandates are only temporary.  However, it doesn’t make sense not to let kids attend schools if they have the same immunity if not better than those that have been vaccinated.  Some companies that are in the no jab no job list are, Google, Netflix, BlackRock, Walt Disney, Facebook, Morgan Stanley, Washington Post, Twitter and many others.  I guess the bureaucrats in Italy are much smarter than the US; or maybe less greedy.  

Looking at the VAERS data the number of adverse effects is much greater than any other vaccine.  The number of deaths is also much higher, it’s probably around 7,000 now.   However, if you calculate the number of people vaccinated, percentage wise it’s still not bad.

The other factor is long term effects, which no-one knows because there is no long-term data yet.  I really hope there will be very minimal to no complications.  I don’t see a reason for anyone that went through covid to gamble on either the short-term risks and the unknown long-term risks.

What should send red flags is all the censorship.  Why are prominent scientists and doctors being censored, threatened with legal actions as well as personal threats? Our government has hired the same people that fight terrorist organizations to go after these individuals.  If you suppress one side, then we all know where that can lead.  You can’t have a once sided debate..

Bret Weinstein and his wife Heather are not anti-vaxxers and are probably some of the most vaccinated people on the planet.  As biologists they travel all over the world to places such as the Amazon, hence all the vaccines. When they first looked at the virus, they had a very strong suspicion that it did not originate in nature but came from a lab.  With all their credentials they were mocked and censored along with anyone else that didn’t follow the narrative.  

Dr. Robert Malone appeared on one of their podcasts that lasted 3 hours.  I was only able to view 1 hour of it but downloaded it because I knew it would be taken down.  Sure enough, it’s no longer available on YouTube, but you may be able to find it elsewhere.  Dr. Malone build the core platform for mRNA and was credit as the inventor of the mRNA technology.  He was credited but no longer, Wikipedia scrubbed his name out.  His Linkedin account was shut down along with other backlashes against him.  

Malone compiled and graphed data as to where the vaccine travels within a 48-hour period.  It was said that it remains in the site of the injection.   However, this is not what the data was showing him. It travels throughout the body, including bone marrow.

Malone states we should be on the lookout for cancer such as leukemia 5-15 years down the road.  He also expresses that this is all unknown, but we should be cognizant about it and recommended routine testing for early treatment if necessary. For women there is a very high concentration in the ovaries.   Alarmed, he had the data and graph peer reviewed after which he sent his findings through the appropriate channels.  If I’m not mistaken it was sent to the CDC as well as other outfits. According to Malone it fell on deaf ears, so he decided to speak out.

I viewed several of Bret’s podcasts called DarkHorse.  Although I don’t agree with all his or his guest’s views, it’s intellectual and thought provoking.  At times his guests are not in agreement but that’s what makes the discussions interesting and challenging. Highly recommended... 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2021 at 11:48
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Side effects are unknown and with all the illegal censorship one has to wonder.
False. The same side effects are notable in previous RNA therapies.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2021 at 11:40

Side effects are unknown and with all the illegal censorship one has to wonder.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2021 at 11:37
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

If the odds of vaccinated people who will die of Covid is less than 1 in 10 million,  why should they care if unvaccinated people die because they chose not to be vaccinated? 
I believe the reasons are manifold. Humanitarian reasons come to mind, like health professionals being tired of treating non vaccinated patients who have serious symptoms and eventually die. Others who would like to see the country get herd immunity so that the virus is a distant memory, and all of the conflicting health edicts will go away. Things like that.

Does Steve make a valid point?  More folks will die of Cancer and Obesity than of Covid.  For humanitarian reasons, should we force Obese folks to diet? 

Do healthcare providers tire more of treating ex-smokers of lung cancer, obese people of diabetes, or unvaccinated people of Covid? Nationally, only 52% of healthcare professionals are vaccinated.  Seems a significant number of healthcare professionals don't want to be vaccinated. That said, I do believe a vaccination decreases the odds of contracting Covid.

 
Cindy, when lung cancer and diabetes become the main illnesses of world wide pandemics, we can continue this discussion. It's always a case of apples and oranges with your ilk. You asked for reasons why people should care about non vaccinated people but failed to state why you don't. What's your libertarian's view on why people needlessly dying is no big deal. The shot is free. It doesn't cost anything. The side effects are rare. It keeps people from dying needlessly. So, what's your beef with it? Why does a health professional like you fail to care about the health of others?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2021 at 10:37
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

If the odds of vaccinated people who will die of Covid is less than 1 in 10 million,  why should they care if unvaccinated people die because they chose not to be vaccinated? 
I believe the reasons are manifold. Humanitarian reasons come to mind, like health professionals being tired of treating non vaccinated patients who have serious symptoms and eventually die. Others who would like to see the country get herd immunity so that the virus is a distant memory, and all of the conflicting health edicts will go away. Things like that.

Does Steve make a valid point?  More folks will die of Cancer and Obesity than of Covid.  For humanitarian reasons, should we force Obese folks to diet? 

Do healthcare providers tire more of treating ex-smokers of lung cancer, obese people of diabetes, or unvaccinated people of Covid? Nationally, only 52% of healthcare professionals are vaccinated.  Seems a significant number of healthcare professionals don't want to be vaccinated. That said, I do believe a vaccination decreases the odds of contracting Covid.

Herd immunity?  I believe that Covid has become endemic. It will never go away. 
Case in point.  Coronaviruses cause 20% of all common colds.  Even if 85% of people are vaccinated,  I predict that Covid will never go away, and it will become as seasonal as flu and colds. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2021 at 10:36

The mask thing has many variables to consider..

The N95 mask if properly fitted has around 95% efficiency against covid.  If it’s not properly fitted it could drop to 50% or lower.  How many people wear a properly fitted N95 mask or better? The masks that most wear provide very little protection.

There are several other things such as health and psychological issues. 

I need to get back to work, I’ll expand later.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2021 at 10:17
Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

If the odds of vaccinated people who will die of Covid is less than 1 in 10 million,  why should they care if unvaccinated people die because they chose not to be vaccinated? 
I believe the reasons are manifold. Humanitarian reasons come to mind, like health professionals being tired of treating non vaccinated patients who have serious symptoms and eventually die. Others who would like to see the country get herd immunity so that the virus is a distant memory, and all of the conflicting health edicts will go away. Things like that.

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If the odds of vaccinated people who will die of Covid is less than 1 in 10 million,  why should they care if unvaccinated people die, because they chose not to be vaccinated? 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2021 at 09:21
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Okay well yesterday there was 14 deaths from COVID in all of Japan, on August 1st there was only 5. These are incrediblely low. Why should we be making everyone wear masks over such tiny numbers. Just let people make their own choices, they can wear masks if they want to, but if they don’t, leave them alone.

That's what I meant: this stance is either motivated by pure selfishness or utter stupidity. I'm afraid it is a combination of both.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2021 at 09:14
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Is it true that tens of thousands of unvaccinated illegal aliens are released into USA by border agents?

Possibly you missed it, but on the previous page of this thread Tapfret had some questions for you regarding your claim of being tested before every shift.

I did not miss it. I sent Tapfret a PM.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2021 at 09:00
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Cboi Sandlin Cboi Sandlin wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Is it true that tens of thousands of unvaccinated illegal aliens are released into USA by border agents?

The Republicans (the same people that claim that the Capital riot on 1/6/2021 was nothing more than a peaceful non violent lovefest) say so. So no, it's not true.

Well is a very stupid response. First of all, the capitol riots were bad yes but all the republicans are trying to say is that it wasn’t trumps fault, it was the fault of the idiots that did it (also it is very hipocritical to say that since the Democrats still promote the lie that the BLM riots that burn down building’s are peaceful). Second of all, it is incredibly ignorant to say that “if the republicans say it it isn’t true”.

Sorry son, but Republicans can't have it both ways. Either the Capitol Riots were a violent attempt to change the outcome of a legal and fair election and "tens of thousands" of illegals are crossing the border, or neither of the two events are true. Think a bit before answering this time. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you failed to the first time and are not that dimwitted.

Bro I told you, I do not condone what happened at the capitol, it was bad, but not any worse than BLM riots that burn down buildings!
You don't condone the Capital Riots as you see, like most Republicans, a false equaliency. Bad riot compared to bad riot. Not what was really the issue, a populist government coup instigated by a political tyrant versus a mob burning police cars and destroying thier own neighborhoods to protest the arbitrary killings of blacks by Cops. One action was to enact an injustice, the other action was to protest one. There is no equaliency between those two facts.







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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2021 at 08:40
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Okay well yesterday there was 14 deaths from COVID in all of Japan, on August 1st there was only 5. These are incrediblely low. Why should we be making everyone wear masks over such tiny numbers. Just let people make their own choices, they can wear masks if they want to, but if they don’t, leave them alone.

I'm sure those deaths are pretty important to the people who died and their friends and families.
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Bro, if they are young people why are getting the disease doesn’t matter. They have next to zero risk. Just let people live their lives

A comment like this, nowadays, really is unimaginable to me and shows so much ignorance and egoism... How can you say this when you know, or could know, that more and more youngsters die or suffer from more or less severe consequences of Covid? Of course, not in the same proportions as elder people and people with co-mobordities, but yes, young people are among the victims. Furthermore, they play a major role in the contamination of others, so pretending they should live their life as if nothing is going on is sheer selfishness fed by disinformation and ignorance.

Okay well yesterday there was 14 deaths from COVID in all of Japan, on August 1st there was only 5. These are incrediblely low. Why should we be making everyone wear masks over such tiny numbers. Just let people make their own choices, they can wear masks if they want to, but if they don’t, leave them alone.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2021 at 08:27
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Cboi Sandlin Cboi Sandlin wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Is it true that tens of thousands of unvaccinated illegal aliens are released into USA by border agents?

The Republicans (the same people that claim that the Capital riot on 1/6/2021 was nothing more than a peaceful non violent lovefest) say so. So no, it's not true.

Well is a very stupid response. First of all, the capitol riots were bad yes but all the republicans are trying to say is that it wasn’t trumps fault, it was the fault of the idiots that did it (also it is very hipocritical to say that since the Democrats still promote the lie that the BLM riots that burn down building’s are peaceful). Second of all, it is incredibly ignorant to say that “if the republicans say it it isn’t true”.

Sorry son, but Republicans can't have it both ways. Either the Capitol Riots were a violent attempt to change the outcome of a legal and fair election and "tens of thousands" of illegals are crossing the border, or neither of the two events are true. Think a bit before answering this time. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you failed to the first time and are not that dimwitted.

Bro I told you, I do not condone what happened at the capitol, it was bad, but not any worse than BLM riots that burn down buildings!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2021 at 08:24
Originally posted by Cboi Sandlin Cboi Sandlin wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Is it true that tens of thousands of unvaccinated illegal aliens are released into USA by border agents?

The Republicans (the same people that claim that the Capital riot on 1/6/2021 was nothing more than a peaceful non violent lovefest) say so. So no, it's not true.

Well is a very stupid response. First of all, the capitol riots were bad yes but all the republicans are trying to say is that it wasn’t trumps fault, it was the fault of the idiots that did it (also it is very hipocritical to say that since the Democrats still promote the lie that the BLM riots that burn down building’s are peaceful). Second of all, it is incredibly ignorant to say that “if the republicans say it it isn’t true”.
Sorry son, but Republicans can't have it both ways. Either the Capitol Riots were a violent attempt to change the outcome of a legal and fair election and "tens of thousands" of illegals are crossing the border, or neither of the two events are true. Think a bit before answering this time. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you failed to the first time and are not that dimwitted.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2021 at 08:15
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Bro, if they are young people why are getting the disease doesn’t matter. They have next to zero risk. Just let people live their lives

A comment like this, nowadays, really is unimaginable to me and shows so much ignorance and egoism... How can you say this when you know, or could know, that more and more youngsters die or suffer from more or less severe consequences of Covid? Of course, not in the same proportions as elder people and people with co-mobordities, but yes, young people are among the victims. Furthermore, they play a major role in the contamination of others, so pretending they should live their life as if nothing is going on is sheer selfishness fed by disinformation and ignorance.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2021 at 08:11
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Is it true that tens of thousands of unvaccinated illegal aliens are released into USA by border agents?

The Republicans (the same people that claim that the Capital riot on 1/6/2021 was nothing more than a peaceful non violent lovefest) say so. So no, it's not true.

Well is a very stupid response. First of all, the capitol riots were bad yes but all the republicans are trying to say is that it wasn’t trumps fault, it was the fault of the idiots that did it (also it is very hipocritical to say that since the Democrats still promote the lie that the BLM riots that burn down building’s are peaceful). Second of all, it is incredibly ignorant to say that “if the republicans say it it isn’t true”.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2021 at 08:06
Originally posted by DamoXt7942 DamoXt7942 wrote:

I've learned officials in Tokyo, where Olympic Games are being held, will confirm more than 5000 new COVID19 infection cases today, the highest daily tally the capital has seen. More than half of the total cases are young guys who do not wear masks and have not got any single jab yet. We are sure wearing masks should be quite important. Unhappy


Bro, if they are young people why are getting the disease doesn’t matter. They have next to zero risk. Just let people live their lives
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2021 at 07:59
Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Is it true that tens of thousands of unvaccinated illegal aliens are released into USA by border agents?

The Republicans (the same people that claim that the Capital riot on 1/6/2021 was nothing more than a peaceful non violent lovefest) say so. So no, it's not true.
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