Prog & Punk - Connection??

NO, IT'S NOT THE SAME PAUL COOK!! He's just a namesake

By the way, I agree on those assertions about Vicious's lack of personality, creativity and intelligence. The guys in KILLING JOKE, THE CLASH, THE DAMNED & THE STRANGLERS, and John Foxx-era ULTRAVOX were more coherent and articulate in their ideas about art, society and humankind, and they were real creative as performers and songwriters. Some of them even didn't like the label punk, yet they incarnated the pinnacle of the punk movement both commercially and intellectually. They weren't even caught in the traps of punk cliches: their sonic spectrum was varied enough (including reggae, R'n'B, Roxy Music glam, krautrock, jazz pop) to shine as real interesting/trascendent British pop acts of the late 70s. 

richardh wrote: greenback wrote: the only conection i know between prog rock and punk rock is .... PAUL COOK! Elaborate please.What punk band was Cook in before IQ?

The Sex Pistols.

Some statements are beyond criticism.

Certif1ed wrote: Anyone that thinks punk was just a load of noise should check out any of the Damned's later material

Didn't Nick Mason produce one of their later albums??

Certif1ed wrote: I'd totally disagree that the original punks lacked personality - that was one of the main points of punk after all - to be yourself no matter what anyone thought. Just think of Johnny (Rotten), Sid, Captain Sensible, Dave Vanian, Hugh Cornwell - all far more striking personalities than could be found in most other music genres of any generation.

No actually their on-stage striking personalities (if thats what you want to call it) didn't follow them off stage.. and they really lacked personality. Most were liked spoilt children, before they were even able to afford to.  They were very limited in their ideas..and they had no education to draw on.  Conversing with them was a total chore and their attention span was nil... so nope... personalities were sorely lacking!

Anyone that thinks punk was just a load of noise should check out any of the Damned's later material - the collection "Light at the End of the Tunnel" is a great place to start. Also the Stranglers' 1977-1982 Collection is an awesome collection of songs ranging from vicious power in "No More Heroes" to a harpsichord waltz in "Golden Brown" - and that's not the only waltz the Stranglers recorded.

I'd totally disagree that the original punks lacked personality - that was one of the main points of punk after all - to be yourself no matter what anyone thought. Just think of Johnny (Rotten), Sid, Captain Sensible, Dave Vanian, Hugh Cornwell - all far more striking personalities than could be found in most other music genres of any generation. As far as being able to play is concerned - your ears should do the rest. No there aren't any Fripps, Palmers or Wakemans, but feel the quality of the songwriting!

threefates wrote: Well as I said before somewhere here... I got proposed to by a very drunk Rat Scabies...  Actually I had a paying job as babysitter to "The Damned" on their first trip to the US.  I've never seen anyone, including Keith Richards, who needed a dentist more than Rat. I also knew Sid Vicious and Nancy.  They were Max's regulars for awhile and lived near me in the Chelsea Hotel. Nancy had one of those mental disorders where she would go off the wall into these temper tamtrums.. and Sid would just slap the sh*t out of her to get her back.  Strange...  I never liked Punk either... they couldn't play an instrument..they lacked personality, and they all looked so god awful unhealthy....

"When I saw him (Rotten) I thought, "He can't play, can't sing, looks awful and knows nothing about music, but he could sneer with panache. This guy'll go far"", Malcom Mclaren.

Dick Heath wrote: richardh wrote: New Rose - The Damned Have you heard the Tubes' take on the Beatles' I Saw Her Standing There using New Rose's riff!!!

Just listening to it at the moment.There's some general hilarity going on with the synths.I like The Tubes!

I didn't realise that it was the rift to New Rose..well spotted!!

Blacksword wrote many posts ago :

I once heard Phil Collins say something like, 'Punk needed to happen. It was like someone violently shaking a tree and all the dead wood falling out. The dead wood took the form of a load of hippies with their hammond organs, and Genesis were among them, which I thought was unfair, because we had more to offer than bands like Yes'

That phrase is from Genesis A History, and was really a excuse from Mr. Collins.

In first place Collins music has no relation  with punk, he's soft, bland, boring and anything but aggressive, so that false admiration for the punk movement was his way of saying progressive rock is crap, and why did he said it?

On those days old Genesis fans were attacking Collins as always, and he payed them back insulting everything related with prog, he was booed in the Abacab tour  so he lost the temper and insulted back the audience saying something like "I don't care what you want".

If you listen that video, he says a lot of BS, against Gabriel, old Genesis, Pink Floyd etc, let's remember Collins was only a drummer from a prog' band never really a prog' musician.

So I don't take his words seriously, specially after he said "I know our music is boring, but boring is good"

Iván