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Fischman ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 21 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Status: Offline Points: 1636 |
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You're assuming I have no appreciation for Wilson's composition, which is false. Btw, thecanswer to your question is 5: Lightbulb Sun, In Absentia, Deadwing, Fear of a Blank Planet, and The Incident. You also seem to assume I blindly soak up technical virtuosity with no concern for composition, which is also false. Yes, DT let their virtuosity tune away with them at times, but for the most part, they have excellent compositions as well. Too many people hear the technical wizardry and just assume it's there to cover a lack of compositional skill, which is just lazy. I can see not liking DT, but people try to mask a purely subjective dislike with made up objective analysis. |
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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I'm not a huge fan of either but PT are leagues ahead of DT. DT are showmen and showoffs. PT at least try to be song writers, and often succeed. DT have never made an album that comes anywhere close to Deadwing or In Absentia.
In fact for my taste, they've never done anything as good as Signify. Edited by Blacksword - November 30 2019 at 04:18 |
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Foxprog ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 05 2018 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 236 |
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Ah we have a typical DT fan here. I agree you with 100% that they master the instrument's very well. Unfortunately that does not help when there is a lack of skill when it comes making compositions. On the other hand, Steven Wilson is a well crafting composer, mixer and a musician. Yes, John Petrucci can do some "epic" things with his guitar and Wilson can't. But is that really cool honestly? And oh, they did not create a genre. Btw, how many PT/Wilson albums have you listened with a focus? My sincere regards.
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Fischman ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 21 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Status: Offline Points: 1636 |
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Yep. They sold a lot of albums, including a few to me. Great group! But regarding the current discussion, as you say, they were very popular at the time. They've been irrelevant since Empire. Meanwhile, DT has continued to be the standard bearer for the genre for over a quarter century now. And again, I've never heard a band trying to be Queensryche, but I've heard dozens trying to be DT |
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Progmind ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 29 2010 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 3458 |
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Dont agree Fischman Queensryche sold a lost of albums and people forget that, Rage For Order was progresive metal, and Operation Mindcrime sold a lot too and made the genre viable, not DT. If you read the zines of that time, the term prog metal or intelligent metal started with Queensryche in 1988, they were very popular in that time
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Fischman ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 21 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Status: Offline Points: 1636 |
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That Queensryche may have preceded DT in no way changes the fact that it was DT that made the genre viable in the long term and spawned scores of following groups. Everyone who came after 1992 cites DT as an influence. And every last member of DT can play/sing circles around his PT counterpart. It's like Les Miserables vs See Spot Run. |
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Progmind ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 29 2010 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 3458 |
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Porcupine tree by zillion years DT didn´t started anything and many other bands plays prog metal before DT, try Queenrysche, Fates
Warning, Watchtower, Sieges Even, Psychotic Waltz, Mekong Delta, etc. |
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Enchant X ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 31 2014 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 874 |
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twosteves ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 01 2007 Location: NYC/Rhinebeck Status: Offline Points: 4095 |
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King of Loss ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 21 2005 Location: Boston, MA Status: Offline Points: 16916 |
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wiz_d_kidd ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 13 2018 Location: EllicottCityMD Status: Offline Points: 1471 |
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I have to go with Dream Theater because I can't stand Porcupine Tree.
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Barbu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 09 2005 Location: infinity Status: Offline Points: 30855 |
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Both excellent but PT.
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Fischman ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 21 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Status: Offline Points: 1636 |
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This is the first I've ever heart of it being "fashionable" to disparage Wilson. I developed my overall lukewarm appreciation for PT along with an active dislike of some PT albums, all on my own and likely before such a thing came into fashion. Meanwhile, it has always been fashionable to rag on DT, much like any other technically proficient artist or any other metal band (making prog metal itself an entire genre worthy of scorn for many). |
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17983 |
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Porcupine Tree, although I do enjoy DT but these past several years not so much. I really do not like Labrie's vocals, I think there are maybe 2-3 albums where he sounds good. The soundscapes that PT create are pretty special, plus the catalog is more interesting from Porcupine Tree.
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Dellinger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12816 |
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Dream Theater for me.
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Man With Hat ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team Joined: March 12 2005 Location: Neurotica Status: Offline Points: 166183 |
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20671 |
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PT.....never really got what people saw in DT.
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progmatic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2009 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 1785 |
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it has become fashionable to hate on Steven Wilson but Porcupine Tree is one of prog's all-time great bands. I only really like one DT album in totality; I like other songs by the band but nothing trips my trigger the way PT does.
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Fischman ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 21 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Status: Offline Points: 1636 |
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Of all the no-contest polls!!!
Yeah, DT. Period. Better musicianship (by faaaaar) at EVERY position. Waaaaayyyy better vocals. Less moaning and groaning about the world. Sooooooo much more to offer. And influence? Yeah, for a couple decades, DT wannabes were popping out of the woodwork. These two aren't even in the same musical universe.
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tboyd1802 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 01 2012 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 898 |
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PT easily. DT never clicked with me...
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