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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

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Genesis is 1970-1980 then I'm pretty much out. FGTR (recorded in 1968) just misses the mark entirely when you look at how the British art rock scene was beginning to progress at that time. The likes of Procol and The Nice were already so far ahead its ridiculous. They needed more homework!

True prog was barely a thing when Genesis recorded FGTR so I hope no one listens to it expecting to hear something that sounds like the later "prog" Genesis.  That just would not be possible at the time (Court wasn't even released yet and Fripp was still in GG&F). I actually like it a lot but I appreciate it more for what it is rather than what it isn't. 

Duke may have been the last Genesis album to have 50 percent more on it to be prog but they still had some good (and even proggy) moments after it imo. 

Enough for an album maybe?
 
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ Genesis started off sounding like the Bee Gees on FGTR, whereas ELP ended up looking like the Bee Gees on Love Beach. Tongue

Yep. Pretty much. LOL


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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ Genesis started off sounding like the Bee Gees on FGTR, whereas ELP ended up looking like the Bee Gees on Love Beach. Tongue


ELP were clearly more successful at looking like 'em than Genesis did sounding like 'em.
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^ Genesis started off sounding like the Bee Gees on FGTR, whereas ELP ended up looking like the Bee Gees on Love Beach. Tongue
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Genesis is 1970-1980 then I'm pretty much out. FGTR (recorded in 1968) just misses the mark entirely when you look at how the British art rock scene was beginning to progress at that time. The likes of Procol and The Nice were already so far ahead its ridiculous. They needed more homework!

True prog was barely a thing when Genesis recorded FGTR so I hope no one listens to it expecting to hear something that sounds like the later "prog" Genesis.  That just would not be possible at the time (Court wasn't even released yet and Fripp was still in GG&F). I actually like it a lot but I appreciate it more for what it is rather than what it isn't. 

Duke may have been the last Genesis album to have 50 percent more on it to be prog but they still had some good (and even proggy) moments after it imo. 


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Genesis on Tiswas in 1981 where Phil Collins and Mike Rutherford achieved their ambition of appearing in Compost Corner with David Bellamy (Lenny Henry). Smile




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I read that producer Jonathan King wanted Genesis to sound like the Bee Gees (his favourite band) on their first album, although that would've been a Tragedy for prog fans. Anyway, they came up with the Bee Gees pastiche, Silent Sun, just to placate Jonathan King. Smile
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

In the Beginning there were five members of Charterhouse School who One Day decided to form a band. That band was GENESIS. They were Looking for Someone to promote and produce their first album when a Window of opportunity came along in the shape of Jonathan King, a Duke of record producers working Behind the Lines at the time. The album "From Genesis to Revelation" entered a Land of Confusion and Misunderstanding though when many record stores placed the album in their religious music sections due to the religious-sounding title. 


I think there was a Christian band around called Genesis at the time, this may have contributed to the confusion.
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Genesis is 1970-1980 then I'm pretty much out. FGTR (recorded in 1968) just misses the mark entirely when you look at how the British art rock scene was beginning to progress at that time. The likes of Procol and The Nice were already so far ahead its ridiculous. They needed more homework!

Jonathan King is partly to blame for the songs being shorter, also he meddled in arranging some songs. 


I wouldn't say he is to blame, but more likely thanked.

These high-school boys didn't have the chops or inspiration to make a Tresspass 0.5

No JK, no Genesis, AFAIAC.

You are probably right, just saying that song length was Jonathan King's decision, that's all. Tony Banks said in an interview some of the songs were initially longer. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Genesis is 1970-1980 then I'm pretty much out. FGTR (recorded in 1968) just misses the mark entirely when you look at how the British art rock scene was beginning to progress at that time. The likes of Procol and The Nice were already so far ahead its ridiculous. They needed more homework!

Jonathan King is partly to blame for the songs being shorter, also he meddled in arranging some songs. 


I wouldn't say he is to blame, but more likely thanked.

These high-school boys didn't have the chops or inspiration to make a Tresspass 0.5

No JK, no Genesis, AFAIAC.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Genesis is 1970-1980 then I'm pretty much out. FGTR (recorded in 1968) just misses the mark entirely when you look at how the British art rock scene was beginning to progress at that time. The likes of Procol and The Nice were already so far ahead its ridiculous. They needed more homework!

Jonathan King is partly to blame for the songs being shorter, also he meddled in arranging some songs. 



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It's taken me 45 years, but I finally have been hearing "tiny seeds" in From G to R songs that reappear in later, more mature Genesis. What used to be a throw away album has become fairly interesting, tolerable, and even likable (probably more due to its familiarity).

Knowing the Genesis story, it makes it easier to finds the seeds that grew into Tresspass & stuff 
At first, I heavily WTF'd when I brought it home (different title too) and rejected it for years, but little by little, I've grown to like it. Not that I woukd play it lore often than others. (It's been years since I've spun a Genesis album, anyways) 

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

FGTR is better than CAS but that's about it (imo).


I far prefer FGTR to anything Post-Duke (with the possible tie with Shapes), because by the time they went onto Abacrap, they were professionals with huge means, whereas for Revelation, they were total amateurs. 
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Genesis is 1970-1980 then I'm pretty much out. FGTR (recorded in 1968) just misses the mark entirely when you look at how the British art rock scene was beginning to progress at that time. The likes of Procol and The Nice were already so far ahead its ridiculous. They needed more homework!
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FGTR is better than CAS but that's about it (imo).
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It's a decent british 60s pop album. I got a remaster of it (In the Beginning) a couple months ago, and it's the only album I won I haven't listened to yet....

I listened to it on Spotify a couple months ago. Not bad
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It's taken me 45 years, but I finally have been hearing "tiny seeds" in From G to R songs that reappear in later, more mature Genesis. What used to be a throw away album has become fairly interesting, tolerable, and even likable (probably more due to its familiarity).
 
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Quite an anonymous album as far as I am concerned, but not something that really affects me physically. I don't mind it, but I think it is easy to hear that this kind of lightweight pop wasn't their thing.
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I prefer From Genesis to Revelation over everything (that I've heard) post Wind & Wuthering. Peter Gabriel already had something special, there's quite a few genuinely wonderful songs on it (I wouldn't mind if either In the Beginning or The Serpent was chosen to be saved for Trespass - over Visions of Angels - which originally was recorded for their debut too), a nice warm atmosphere and a charming wide-eyed naivety.


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by O666 O666 wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I still don't know if this is a Genesis (in general) thread or about their debut? Confused
What's the real question here? What am i asked to do here?
Its about writing ability !!!

Oh, so it's a monologue. 
Ok, I'll see myself out. LOL
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Originally posted by O666 O666 wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I still don't know if this is a Genesis (in general) thread or about their debut? Confused
What's the real question here? What am i asked to do here?
Its about writing ability !!!

Oh, so it's a monologue. 
Ok, I'll see myself out. LOL
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