Rearrange PA top 20 to your personal tastes

^ I made the dated comment too before methinks, but I like some music that has dated (of its era, has nostalgia value and sentimental qualities even if I was not alive at the time).  ELP has not dated well for me. I agree that others seem more timeless.  I love the dated feel of kinds of loungey music and exotica/tropica and those retro sounds are being used by modern bands, often by ones into neo-psychedelia and art pop and jazzy music, in I think lovely and interesting ways.  ELP is kitschy I feel, and I like plenty of kitschy things, but it feels tacky to me too often and kind of yobish. I can't easily relate to ELP's music, and I don't think that its general audience would suit me or my personality.  I would not expect modern audiences generally to appreciate ELP much no matter how popular it has been.  I  don't know how many new fans it is generating or how much it is still influencing popular music.  It doesn't have the cool cachet of a lot of vintage stuff that has been re-visited in music. It didn't age as well as other things that do feel of their time, one might say.

Edited by Logan - October 18 2021 at 22:11

^^^ I honestly don't know how popular The Eagles are now amongst modern audiences generally, with a wide variety of ages, and across different music genre fans around the world as I never liked the band and haven't delved into such things.  I do know that it has been very popular and has sold a lot and I expect it could sell out a large or very large venue in various regions.  I  don't know how relevant to the average person the Eagles is considered now-- don't know if it they are even still making albums.  The only Eagles song I even can think of is "Hotel California".  Would you say that it's as big as BTS right now?  BTS doesn't do well either at RYM despite the huge popularity.

Edited by Logan - October 18 2021 at 21:17

I suspect many others share my sentiment and prefer the more complex sounds of bands that really went for the prog jugular.

I'd be interested in a collaborators ranking, sounds fun.

siLLy puPPy wrote: jamesbaldwin wrote: Rate your music is that site that has in its chart of the best albums ever, 2 Radiohead albums and 2 Pink Floyd albums (2 + 2 = 4) in the first 7 places (4 on 7). And that has, in its top 20 albums, 2 albums of Kendrick Lamar, one Madvillain album and another Radiohead album (and that's three). And I stop here. My rating, from 1 to 10, of the Rate Your Music ranking (and therefore of its ratings in general) is ZERO. You sound like a cranky old man. You write reviews here about music you just don't get. So what if other people like other things? I love RYM a lot. I have discovered infinite amounts of new music on that site. Sure the charts don't reflect my tastes either but who cares really.

Sacro_Porgo wrote: jamesbaldwin wrote: Sacro_Porgo wrote: jamesbaldwin wrote: Rate your music is that site that has in its chart of the best albums ever, 2 Radiohead albums and 2 Pink Floyd albums (2 + 2 = 4) in the first 7 places (4 on 7). And that has, in its top 20 albums, 2 albums of Kendrick Lamar, one Madvillain album and another Radiohead album (and that's three). And I stop here. My rating, from 1 to 10, of the Rate Your Music ranking (and therefore of its ratings in general) is ZERO. Your point is that you don't like a lot of the albums in RYM's chart, which is just ranks albums based on the accumulated ratings of its users, many of whom happed to find all of those albums to be some of the greatest of all time. So, in essence, you have your own taste and it doesn't match the majority. So does everyone. No, my tastes have absolutely nothing to do with it. Suppose my favorite bands were Radiohead and Pink Floyd: I would have written exactly the same thing. (I love Ok Computer, Wish You Were and In the Court of ... the top 3 of RYM). I just don't think a general ranking is serious, ranging from jazz to rock, rap to folk etc. if it produces so many albums by the same groups, including some artists like Kendrick Lamar, who is present with 2 albums in the top 20 and he has made 4 albums in total, moreover with very mixed critical reviews.  It is also clear that this ranking favors well-known albums, which have had commercial success, and above all in English. In my opinion, it is a ranking that has no value. I have criteria by which I consider rankings done well, serious, and others that are less serious or worthless. And these criteria have little to do with my tastes. For the rest: RYM is a great site to discover new music, I have nothing to complain about it. Hm. I apologize. I was expecting it to be a taste thing (because most of these sorts of complaints are taste things), but that's a pretty well reasoned response. I can't say I take the rym top albums list too seriously either, other than to confirm to me that the "underground/alternative" factor of Radiohead or Pink Floyd or some other artists up there must be pretty contrived at this point. I do think it's worth noting however, that because of the way that list is made, it never really had a shot at being anything other than a popularity contest, and of course the most popular music is well known, commercially successful, and English.

Edited by Logan - October 17 2021 at 22:30

Since we're talking progressive rock, I do think this chart makes more sense to compare to PA's than the general music chart at RYM.  https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/all-time/g:progressive-rock/exc:live,archival/#results

Edited by Logan - October 17 2021 at 22:04

siLLy puPPy wrote: [ You sound like a cranky old man. You write reviews here about music you just don't get. So what if other people like other things? I love RYM a lot. I have discovered infinite amounts of new music on that site. Sure the charts don't reflect my tastes either but who cares really.

TheLionOfPrague wrote: Logan wrote: TheLionOfPrague wrote: Logan wrote: I have some issue with the whole notion of just deserts when it comes to how people generally rate (an amalgamation) albums. Sure some individuals are unfair, but it's a top-rated list, not as some at this forum have seemed to think a most significant to Prog list.   At rateyourmusic, which is a general music site with a huge number of genres to peruse and highlight in the charts, I wouldn't say they have self-appointed high priests of Prog (not that I'd really say the same here either, this is better thought of as a coven ;) ), yet that general audience does not favour ELP albums either. Two sites with different systems, neither of which place ELP albums highly. ELP does better here in the ranking than there. I do agree that the albums generally seem flawed, and I think that ELP was showy in their way doesn't help. ELP dated badly more than many other classic prog bands for me. As one PA person once put it, "You just had to be there". Well, lots of us weren't, and even if we were, that doesn't mean we liked it then, or if we did, still do. I used to like ELP more than I do now. Rateyourmusic is a paradise for hipsters, it's not very representative of mainstream tastes. The Police are rated worse than ELP and they were EXTREMELY popular. Queen are rated better tan both ELP and The Police but nowhear near the highest rated artists and they are, well, extremely popular would be an understatement. They are one of the biggest musical acts in history, up there with the likes of Beatles, Elvis, Beethoven, Mozart, Michael Jackson and Sinatra. Maybe they are the high priests of hipster prog when it comes to music labeled with the progressive rock genre.  If you see and would share a more mainstream chart from an other music site based on user ratings that includes Prog, then I'd be interested to see how ELP does in that.  Good to compare a variety of sources when it comes to evaluating general opinions.  A variety of sources is a good rule of thumb not just when it comes to the self-appointed high priests of Prog, but also the warlocks of doo-wop, the coven of crunk, the high lamas of hip-hop, the mullahs of muzak, the imams of indie, the gurus of garage, the rabbis of rap, the ministers of metal and even the sultans of swing. To give it some context to people, I was referring back to this post a couple of posts back where I wrote in response to ELP's chart position at PA and some other things:  "If one searches the rateyourmusic chart by the progressive rock genre then the top ELP album is at number 298 with the self-titled. https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/all-time/g:progressive-rock/exc:live,archival/8/#results " No matter how it is generally rated at whatever site (be it ProgArchives or RateYourMusic or Disco Emporium), that doesn't make lower or higher placement more fair or unfair since it's just a popularity thing based on the user's preferences whether or not the music is generally popular or not, and people can appreciate  something as they like.  Some unfairness does come into play often, so I mean as a general principle. PA has algorithms that affect ranking, I wanted to compare it with a different site that works quite differently.  If one finds one music site that covers various music and ELP ranks high in their popularity list (and the way its done seems fair), then I'd have no problem with that.  Just because I don't much like ELP does not mean that I think others should feel the same way. I appreciate ELP's significance no matter how much or little I like it. It's not just about rating averages in websites, you can look at their popularity in real life which can differ considerably as shown in the cases of The Police or Queen among others. Their tickets sold or how the albums did in the charts. ELP did considerably better than Camel or VDGG for instance. Of course this doesn't mean they are better as obviously commercial success and quality are different things. The opposite in RyM would be In the Aeroplane over the Sea (Neutral Milk Hotel), which has a very high rating but it didn't get much attention or commercial success, while some more classic albums are not rated that highly.

Edited by Logan - October 17 2021 at 20:53