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dr wu23 
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 Posted: June 11 2019 at 12:35 |
 True...and I would take him and his body of work over either Clapton or Gilmour.
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Posted: June 11 2019 at 11:45 |
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Jeff Beck is a beast: the perfect storm of expression and virtuosity.
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Posted: June 11 2019 at 11:16 |
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I actually hear a lot of expressiveness in (some of) Satriani's playing. He's more than just a technical wizard. The problem with his music lies mostly in his refusal to employ a rhythm section that sounds anything other than generic background music for a car commercial. The drums and bass backing him are always hopelessly mundane. Without any vocals, the music does end up being rather uninteresting, regardless of whether he can play his guitar expressively or not.
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Posted: June 11 2019 at 11:09 |
I wouldn't call either one any where near as versatile (as a guitarist that is, vocals aside) as Beck. Dude has at times in his career demonstrated mastery over a broad range of styles. Clapton tried to do jazz once and it was a disappointment to say the least.
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Posted: June 11 2019 at 11:05 |
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In my younger days I would have emphatically say Clapton.
Now, I say Gilmour with equal enthusiasm. Neither is in my top 10, but I do see a clear separation at this point. Clapton was really awesome at what he did when he did it, but what he did wasn't particularly unique and really rather narrow in scope when compared to those I think of as truly special guitarists. And he has settled into making some really bland music for the last two decades at least. While not flashy, Gilmour is indeed special, unique, and uniquely expressive.
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Posted: June 11 2019 at 11:05 |
Agreed. I have that same problem with many of the guitar virtuoso artists, they start to sound the same. The real artists are the ones that can display their use of dynamics and variety.
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Posted: June 11 2019 at 09:41 |
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Totally agree on feeling v technical. A friend of mine is always trying to get me into Satriani. I acknowledge his skills, but I still glaze over fairly quickly with wave after wave of shred.
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Posted: June 11 2019 at 09:25 |
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Beck is great, but I have a harder time listening to his albums because he is more of a show off and (yes I know this is a strange thing to rate a guitarist by) he can't sing where both Clapton and Gilmour can making their music more versatile. They could be excellent artists just on their singing alone, but they can both hold my interest better than Beck can. There have been a few albums that I have enjoyed by Beck, but I consistently love Gilmour and Clapton.
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Posted: June 11 2019 at 06:30 |
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They're both great. Gilmour happens to be on far more music that I love, but that doesn't mean I have much to complain about Clapton's guitar playing. Beck certainly is good, too, but really doesn't have that much stuff that moves me.
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Posted: June 11 2019 at 04:08 |
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It depends on what they play. Clapton's performances with Waters (not only Pros and Cons, I have a bootleg of their concert in Stockholm), aren't at the level of Gimour. Wish You Were Here in Stockholm is played with the E bass untuned. Probably he wasn't in a good status, actually. On the other side, Clapton is surely more technical than Gilmour as player. You can be technical, you can be the most technical guitarist in the whole world...but you haven't composed Comfortably Numb. That's the difference, |
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Posted: June 10 2019 at 22:13 |
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Both are heavily influenced by the blues. Though quite different, they really deliver a fantastic array of sounds and melodies. I like both for very different reasons, and cannot pick one above the other, it all depends on what mood I'm in at the moment.
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Posted: June 10 2019 at 22:02 |
Both Beck and Clapton can play circles around Gilmour. I'd probably still choose Gilmour. In a way, Dave has continued to evolve and become more refined. He is also a cleaner player, a better performer, and more true to his studio work in concert. |
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Posted: June 10 2019 at 21:32 |
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Gilmour is my favourite guitaris, so this is easy. Clapton is of course, deservedly a legend, though. By the way, I wish Waters would release a live album from the tour he did with Clapton on guitars, I believe that would be interesting to hear.
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Posted: June 10 2019 at 21:09 |
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not a big fan of either--but probably Gilmour has moved me more.
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Posted: June 10 2019 at 21:00 |
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Jeff Beck is an interesting story, he left The Yardbirds because he disliked the poppy factor, the rest is history, because he developed an unique sound, very powerful, often with the use of the tremolo arm. For me Jeff Beck and David Gilmour are on the same level (like I stated in my previous post), guitarists that do not need to deliver fast scale acrobatics to impress (like so many prog metal, heavy metal, hardrock and jazzrock guitarists), they focus on emotion, on playing just a few notes. For me that does more than all those clinical virtuosic scale acrobacy ...
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Posted: June 10 2019 at 20:32 |
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Would you guys feel the same with Beck v Gilmour? Just curious.
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Posted: June 10 2019 at 20:09 |
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According to this interview, Gilmour was influenced by Clapton. Not that the pupil cannot surpass the student...
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Posted: June 10 2019 at 20:04 |
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Clapton is probably more technical, but Gilmour has so much emotion and feeling. I must choose Gilmour.
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Posted: June 10 2019 at 18:11 |
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More generally, I would say the most interesting guitar players are not necessarily the greatest virtuosos. I usually get bored by fast finger moving, especially after ten minutes, which is why I find it incredibly hard to listen through an album like Derek and the Dominos's "Layla". There are exceptions of course: I really like Richie Blackmore, but I guess that is because of the almost classical sounding guitar playing on some Purple tracks.
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Posted: June 10 2019 at 18:03 |
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I'll chose Gilmour anytime. I have always found Eric Clapton slightly overrated as a guitarist. No doubt that he is technically brilliant; he also has a very distinct sound, but he rarely goes beyond the standard blues phrasings - which is why I often lose interest during his solos. I think David Gilmour is much more lyrical and melodic, and there's a bit more emotion in his playing while you can still hear a bluesy feel in it. "Shine On" of course is a good example of that, as is "Time".
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