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^ that was 1977!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nogbad_The_Bad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2019 at 15:52
Well now its clearly Univers Zero - 1313 or UK - s/t
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I just updated and modified my criteria in the first post. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2019 at 15:28
Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

Saga with debut st from 1978 and Images at Twilight

You know what? Despite my no 70's rule I think this might be a good candidate. I'm open to suggestions and I try not to be narrow minded about it. Typically I just think most late seventies prog was still part of the first wave but if there was something new and fresh happening then it should be taken under consideration. 

As for my opinion about neo prog well most of it just sounds like it's retro and not totally new or different. Not being picky I just think it borrowed too much from the earlier stuff. Not all of it but it seems most did and made it rather obvious. I like how they weren't trying to hide their influences but at the same time it didn't seem like a new chapter for prog just a continuation with some mild new wave and punk influences thrown in from time to time. I'm actually by no means a neo prog hater either but for the purposes of this topic I don't feel the neo prog from the eighties qualifies for the most part.


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The first album of Mother Gong's "Robot Woman" trilogy came out 1981. Most definitely a modern prog album. Their 1979 album "Fairy Tales" was still firmly old school though.


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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Kultivator's Barndomens Stigar from 1981?

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I would go with Marillion or IQ, the neo prog is just a tag, very subjective IMO. Everybody sounds like everybody else or is influenced by everybody else. Big smile

But if you wanna stretch the definition of prog.......maybe Queensryche Operation Mindcrime
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I'd say Marillion, Cardiacs, Dun, Solaris, Thinking Plague, Shub-Niggurath, Twelfth Night, IQ are all contenders. It just depends who formed closes to January 1st, 1980!

Well, like I said in my original post neo prog tends to be too retro sounding. However, that didn't really apply to Twelfth Night so much so they might certainly qualify imo. 

If you're going to get that picky, almost all prog is retro sounding in some way. I would pick Cardiacs if you want OMG originality. Nobody sounded like them and nobody has since.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TerLJack Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2019 at 07:22
This is one of the most interesting topics I've seen here recently.
Following the rules, to me it seems Ozric has their toe firmly in the Tangerine Dream/JM Jarre camp.
Echolyn reminds of Gentle Giant.
Djam Karet is different.  That's a good choice.
I also like The Colour of Spring and Ultravox choices.
Some bands that have been showing up on PA recently that I have always thought were innovators.
Oingo Boingo?
How about Drastic Plastic or Red Noise?
I haven't really thought this through much.  I just like seeing all the uniqueness and evolvement in music in the late 70s/early 80s.
I'll continue to think about it and follow this thread to see what we all come up with.  
What I now see the question as:  What happened after the prog boom waned in modern music that made me sit up and say "I have never heard something like this before."  But still holds true to basic progressive rock principals.  Whatever that is.Wink
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Kultivator's Barndomens Stigar from 1981?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Icarium Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2019 at 04:14
^ I dare to say that Vienna by Ultravox released in 1980 showcased sophistocated elements of art rock and prog, mixed with their classical/symphonic inspired new wave/post punk, operatic vocals, violin solos, and electronic music elements. Are similar to Master of Puppets andThe Colour of Spirng

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I think in different ways albums such as Talk Talk - The Color of Spring and Metallica - Master of Puppets has had a huge impact on modern sounding progressive rock.

If it wasn't for the formed post 1980's rule here I'd say the approach heard on those early RIO-albums by Univers Zero has had much bigger impact on the flood of avant-bands than the modest popularity of the ensemble suggests.

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^ I was gonna say Saga too but they didn't seem to fit the OP's criteria.
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Saga with debute st from 1978 and Images at Twilight

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I'd say Marillion, Cardiacs, Dun, Solaris, Thinking Plague, Shub-Niggurath, Twelfth Night, IQ are all contenders. It just depends who formed closes to January 1st, 1980!

Well, like I said in my original post neo prog tends to be too retro sounding. However, that didn't really apply to Twelfth Night so much so they might certainly qualify imo. 
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

And if it weren't for my rules that it can't be a 70's band the album shown on my avatar might be a contender. :P

Drama by Yes might also be a contender also and so might PG 3(melt). 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote siLLy puPPy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2019 at 21:04
I'd say Marillion, Cardiacs, Dun, Solaris, Thinking Plague, Shub-Niggurath, Twelfth Night, IQ are all contenders. It just depends who formed closes to January 1st, 1980!

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And if it weren't for my rules that it can't be a 70's band the album shown on my avatar might be a contender. :P
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

I would go with echolyn but other than its a bit late for post 70's in 91. Djam Karet are a better pick in 82. How about Ozric Tentacles in 85?
I agree. Djam Karet or the Ozric Tentacles are a better pick than Echolyn.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Djam Karet are a better pick in 82. How about Ozric Tentacles in 85?
 

'84 for Djam Karet (first album, No Commercial Potential, in '85). 

Ozric Tentacles formed in '83. 

But whereas the Ozrics were surfing the waves of the Hillage-Gong mothership, Djam Karet was forging a unique sound.

Both are two of my favorite bands, but I've always ranked DK above OT.
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