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I made this a couple of months ago using this template. Not all of it is prog and it's probably no longer 100% accurate anymore either but I think it still gives an accurate representation of my musical taste:

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Here´s mine at the moment:
1. Wigwam: Fairyport
2. Pink Floyd: Atom Heart Mother
3. King Crimson: In the Court of the Crimson King
4. Jethro Tull: Thick As a Brick
5. Family: Music In a Dolls House
6. Traffic: Mr. Fantasy
7. Yes: Fragile
8. Genesis: the Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
9. Magma: Magma (aka Kobaia)
10. Faust: Faust IV
11. Can: Tago-Mago
12. Comus: First Utterance
13. Caravan: In the Land Of Grey And Pink
14. Haikara: Geafar
15. Tasavallan Presidentti: Lambert Land
16. Colosseum: Valentyne Suite
17. Amon Düül II: Tanz Der Lemminge
18. Mike Oldfield: Tubular Bells
19. Roy Harper: Stormcock
20: Kevin Ayers: the Confessions Of Dr. Dream And Other Stories
21. Rush: Hemispheres
22. Hawkwind: Warrior On the Edge Of Time
23. Procol Harum: Shine On Brightly
24. Moody Blues: In Search Of Lost Chord
25. Absoluuttinen Nollapiste: Pisara ja Lammas 2
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My next review will be on Laughing Stock.

I'm undecided between 8,5 or 9-, as final evaluation. So, it won't get in my top 25.

Talk Talk: 8-
It's my Life 7,5
The Colour of Spring 8+
Spirit of Eden 9,5
Laughing Stock 8,5 or 9-
Mark Hollis 9


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Have you already rated Laughing Stock or can it still get in?
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New ranking:


Rating 10
1) From H to He Who Am The Only One - Van Der Graaf Generator 
2) Pawn Hearts - Van Der Graaf Generator
3) Rock Bottom - Robert Wyatt
4) The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Each Other - Van Der Graaf Generator


Rating 9,75/10
5) Silent Corner and The Empty Stage - Peter Hammill


Rating 9,5/10
6) Starsailor - Tim Buckley
7) In The Court Of... - King Crimson
8) Spirit Of Eden - Talk Talk
9) Wish You Were Here - Pink Floyd
10) Red - King Crimson
11) Chameleon In The Shadow Of The Night - Peter Hammill


Rating 9,25/10
12) Music In A Doll's House - Family
13) Atom Heart Mother - Pink Floyd
14) Roxy Music - Roxy Music
15) First Utterance - Comus
16) Gentle Giant - Gentle Giant
17) Lorca - Tim Buckley
18) Arbeit Macht Frei - Area 
19) Tori Amos - Under The Pink

Rating 9/10
20) Islands - King Crimson
21) Fearless - Family
22) Aqualung - Jetho Tull
23) Quatermass - Quatermass
24) For Your Pleasure- Roxy Music
25) Trespass - Genesis

Day after day, albums rated "9" disappear.
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Alright well i'm gonna try to think of my top 25, this might just kill me, but I'll do my best:

10/10
1: Foxtrot - Genesis 
2: Animals - Pink Floyd 
3: From Silence to Somewhere - Wobbler
4: Court of the Crimson King - King Crimson

9.5/10
5: Moonmadness - Camel
6: Hand. Cannot. Erase. - Steven Wilson
7: Selling England by the Pound - Genesis
8: Mirage - Camel
9: Dark Side of the Moon - Pink Floyd
10: Nursery Cryme - Genesis
11: Wish You Were Here - Pink Floyd

Ok this is as far as I can get, there's too many albums I love and I cant possibly rank them
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King Crimson Lizard

King Crimson Larks' Tongues in Aspic

Genesis  The Lamb

Jethro Tull Minstrel in the Gallery

Gentle Gaint In A Glass House

Peter Gabriel  II

The Mars Volta The Bedlam In Goliath

Brian Eno/David Byrne My Life in the Bush of Ghosts

Return To Forever Romantic Warrior

Il Balletto Di Bronzo Ys

Zappa Apostrophe

Robet Fripp Exposure

Bill Bruford Feels Good To Me

Brian Eno Another Green World

Fripp, Gunn, Rieflin The Repercussions Of Angelic Behavior

Gong Angel's Egg

Jethro Tull Thick as a Brick

Floyd Ummagumma

Ulver The Marriage Of Heaven & Hell

Pink Floyd Animals

Far East Family Band The Cave Down to the Earth

Tool 10.000 days

Porcupine Tree Deadwing

Dredg The Pariah, The Parrot, The Delusion

Manfred Mann's Earth Band Solar Fire




Remain In Light would have made it if the "rules" was different. 


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Hi,

This is really hard for me ... and I won't even try it ... basically, it would not be in my collection if I did not love it, and that means my numbers would be 1500 LP's and 2500 CD's ... and I started with "imports" in 1971 and 1972 to give you an idea how far, and was into the TD/KS schools before just about anyone else ... with everything that was put out ... some of which are still in my top list, if I had one ... 

I just don't see choosing one Popol Vuh album over another. Or a KS album over another. Or a TD album over another ... not to mention that the CD's I can't get from KS (Works)  1 and 2), also has some of the prettiest stuff that will NEVER GET RELEASED ... and make some albums seem "overdone" and "over cooked", by comparison!

There's just too much ... and I can not choose, although I can easily tell you that the band I come back to the most is ... yeah, you know it ... Amon Duul 2. Yeah, that's right ... the one that only a handful of folks considered ... in this thread. 

IF, you count the number of "famous" bands, and their commerciality and selling appeal through the media, everyone's list here would look miserable and sad. It's just too much fame and fortune for this thread for me to enjoy properly!


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Selling England by the Pound
MDK
Brain Salad Surgery
Mirage
The Yes Album
Thick as a Brick
In The Land of Grey and Pink
Silent Knight
Foxtrot
One Size Fits All
Fragile
In a Glass House
For Girls Who Grow Plump in the Night
A Trick of the Tail
Time Honoured Ghosts
The Grand Wazoo
The Least We Can Do is Wave to Each Other
Kobaia
Three Friends
Tales from Topographic Oceans
The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Trilogy
Hot Rats
Relayer
Pawn Hearts
The Power and The Glory
Focus 3






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My list, in alpha order, 1/artist

Bacamarte - Depois Do Fim
Camel - Mirage
Dream Theater - Images and Words
Echolyn - As the World
Emerson, Lake and Palmer - Emerson, Lake and Palmer
Fates Warning - Parallels
Genesis - Foxtrot
Gentle Giant - Three Friends
Steve Hackett - Voyage of the Acolyte
Haken - Affinity
Allan Holdsworth - Metal Fatigue
Itoiz - Ezekiel
Jethro Tull - Aqualung 
Kansas - Leftoverture
King Crimson - Larks' Tongues in Aspic
Lord Only - Fear and Trembling
Moody Blues - Days of Future Passed
Rush - Moving Pictures
Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here
Premiata Forneria Marconi - Per Un Amico
Soft Machine - Third
Spock's Beard - The Light
Transatlantic - Bridge Across Forever
U.K. - U.K.
Yes - Close to the Edge

I got it down to 26 fairly easily, but had a really rough time making that last cut.  The last cut was Steve Hillage - Fish Rising.  


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Rating 10/10
 
1) The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Each Other - Van Der Graaf Generator
1) From H to He Who Am The Only One - Van Der Graaf Generator
1) Pawn Hearts - Van Der Graaf Generator


4) Rock Bottom - Robert Wyatt
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Rating 9,5/10
5) Starsailor - Tim Buckley
6) In The Court Of... - King Crimson
7) Chameleon In The Shadow Of The Night - Peter Hammill
8) Red - King Crimson
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Rating 9,25/10
9) Music In A Doll's House - Family
10)  Silent Corner and The Empty Stage - Peter Hammill
11) Roxy Music - Roxy Music
12) First Utterance - Comus
13) Gentle Giant - Gentle Giant
14) Lorca - Tim Buckley
15) Arbeit Macht Frei - Area 
16) Spirit Of Eden - Talk Talk
17) Wish You Were Here - Pink Floyd 
18) Atom Heart Mother - Pink Floyd
19) Tori Amos - Under The Pink

Rating 9/10
20) Islands - King Crimson
21) Fearless - Family
22) Aqualung - Jetho Tull
23) Quatermass - Quatermass
24) For Your Pleasure- Roxy Music
25) Trespass - Genesis


Edited by jamesbaldwin - October 03 2019 at 13:48
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


Thus you go reviews like my infamous DT review that was voted the single greatest PA's review ever done.. god almighty did I stir up a sh*t storm. Went all the way to the admin team to decide whether to delete it but at least they were smart enough to see what I was doing... a poke in the eye at the system and its failings.

Objectively. Sure. That is what me and my guys were doing on another prog site before I got drafted to come work over here. Guess we were doing good work haha. 



Guess you are talking about your review on Dream Theater, this one:
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=117496
My question is: in your opinion, from an objective point of view, what should be the rating of that album? 


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f**k NO brother it ain't easy to do, perhaps you really have to be hardwired for way of thinking... nor is it particularly common.  The site in its early needed those types to build this site and put effort into getting them.  I got found toiling away on another prog site by Ivan and while even then we were at each others throats for disagreeing about everything but the color of the sky but to his credit he obviously saw that I wasn't merely a fan of music or worse.. specific groups or style, I knew music at a fairly formidable level and could evaluate it and break it down and judge it objectively without regards to my particular tastes.

And once I came over here.. both Raff and I who were among the first genre team members met doing this work for Ivan but soon immediately branched out from Ivan's particular specialty (nah nah na nah nah I won her LOL)and started what proved to be a vast reworking and reordering of a large section of the database. To do that we needed help and we watced carefully the 'gen pop' as it were and those we saw that had the knowledge to do what we had to do.. and of course the temperment to deal with two very type A individuals and we did select, promote and work with some of the damn finest collabs this site ever had.  It is not easy man.. but I do harken back to something I once wrote in a review.  A good summation of that kind of thought..

'Sometimes art can connect with its audience... and sometimes it doesn't. The true mark of a connoisseur of art is appreciating the effort, even when the attempt leaves you baffled or colder than hell.'
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

it is about tastes man.. sure if this were a list of albums I'd consider great. You know.. what that list could have been and should have been of course VDGG and KC would rank highly. Not many can or do.. but to me is quite easy to separate my tastes from my objective view of albums.  I riffed on this notion once, it is all about the context of the album which is can be a fairly well done objective and factual evaluation of the album rather than the purely subjective view of how the music connects with you personally. Which is why we have such ouf of place contextually album in that top album on the site. They look out of place.. because they are if one views it a certain way. Albums can be viewed objectively. But it takes some functioning grey matter and quite a bit of overall and broad based knowledge of prog..and music in general. Other than the old 'I know what I like that dominates much of the reviews, discussions and the very members we have here in large part.

Part of why I wanted to remove ratings was the inconsistency of it. Some like myself.. rated albums based on a objective scale. Most throw 5 stars at an album they like and that is that.  No problem with that.. but it isn't exactly what the whole ratings system was intended to do..... or specifically worded to convey.....

Objectively. Sure. That is what me and my guys were doing on another prog site before I got drafted to come work over here. Guess we were doing good work haha. But subjectively I may think the Wetton years among the most overrated and over ballyhood of all prog streaks.. perhaps only topped by Ian's Ego.. I mean 70's Jethro Dull.. and VDGG. Many love them.. but there are quite a few and I'm firmly with them that think they are the single best poster child for the very thing that ill'd prog more than anything.. prog for prog's sake.. where the notions of prog .. the trapping of it don't augment or complement creativity.. they serve as a substitute for it.

that said.. like the stubborn ass that I am.. I only did 20. .not 25..   there is a album from each I love enough to perhaps have put in a top 25. Discipline which IMO was far and AWAY the best and most progressive album they did.. and H to He which was the one album I think one can point to where VDGG actually hit the mark instead of missing it. I love that album.

I think itìs not easy to separate the music you like from the music you consider great. In some cases, I love listening to certain records while considering them not great, because they give me relax or emotions that I am looking for at that moment. Often they are records that I listen to with ease, which do not require me a great intellectual commitment. Yes, for example, I listen to them often and easily, and I talk about their three golden albums: Yes Album - Fragile - Close to the Edge. I can say that I like to listen to them, and it relaxes me, it intrigues me the sound and their virtuosity, but I consider them an easy music, almost easy listening within prog, basically the matrix of their sound is pop. So they dont reach five stars in my personal ranking. 

Instead I give 5 stars to Buckely's Starsailor but I don't listen often to it: I have to be in the mood to do it. It seems to me more difficult music. Pawn Hearts is equally difficult, while The Least We Can Do is easier because it has more linear songs... and yet both make me always want to listen to them and make me literally enjoy, I feel pleasure listening to them, an enjoyment both emotional strong (which I do not have with Yes, apart from feeling serenity and cheerfulness) and if I have to evaluate them, as I have done these days, my rating is 10, because I have convinced myself that they put together greatness of composition and arrangement and execution with emotional and intellectual involvement. All this in a word I call beauty. 

An artwork is beautiful or ugly, with all the nuances in between. An aesthetic judgment of an artwork must be based on beauty. Now, you say an objective judgment instead. What is objective judgment? I dont know... but if I think, the only one I can consider objective is beauty. If you judge the quality of an artwork  which is perhaps what you call greatnessm maybe you judge the beauty. Or you judge the historical importance of a work, and this does not always go hand in hand with beauty, you can see it in architecture, in painting, literature, in cinema: some works that have represented fundamental steps in those arts and that are remembered by many, they are historically imploded but not beautiful, while some that are considered beautiful, often only by connoisseurs, or by the minority of people, are not so important historically. 

In my reviews I try to evaluate the quality of an album, that is its beauty, and to do so I look at many things including emotions, but they are subjective to some extent. I think we have to start from the beauty in making a ranking, to make sure that the history of the prog remembers above all the most beautiful works, not the most historically important ones, because in some cases you should have the courage to say that a certain work, famous, at the time innovative, at the test of time, today we consider it yes important but not so beautiful.

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Rating 10
1) From H to He Who Am The Only One - Van Der Graaf Generator 
2) Pawn Hearts - Van Der Graaf Generator
3) The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Each Other - Van Der Graaf Generator


Rating 9,75/10
4) Rock Bottom - Robert Wyatt


Rating 9,5/10
5) Starsailor - Tim Buckley
6) In The Court Of... - King Crimson
7) Silent Corner and The Empty Stage - Peter Hammill
8) Red - King Crimson
9) Chameleon In The Shadow Of The Night - Peter Hammill


Rating 9,25/10
10) Music In A Doll's House - Family
11) Animals - Pink Floyd
12) Roxy Music - Roxy Music
13) First Utterance - Comus
14) Gentle Giant - Gentle Giant
15) Lorca - Tim Buckley
16) Arbeit Macht Frei - Area 
17) Spirit Of Eden - Talk Talk
18) Tori Amos - Under The Pink

Rating 9/10
19) Islands - King Crimson
20) Fearless - Family
21) Wish You Were Here - Pink Floyd
22) Aqualung - Jetho Tull
23) Quatermass - Quatermass
24) For Your Pleasure- Roxy Music
25) Trespass - Genesis
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Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

Your list is (mostly) over my head - although I do love me some Amon Duul 2!!!


Sorry, I got carried away finding 25 in my own collection, I’m not sufficiently focused on progressive rock to do this properly. Your list seems more what the OP was looking for.
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Originally posted by 2dogs 2dogs wrote:

Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

1. Yes Tales From Topographic Oceans
2. Genesis The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
3. Yes Fragile
4. Genesis Foxtrot
5. Yes Close To The Edge
6. Jethro Tull Thick As A Brick
7. ELP Brain Salad Surgery
8. King Crimson Larks' Tongues In Aspic
9. King Crimson Red
10. Pink Floyd Wish You Were Here
11. Neal Morse Sola Scriptura
12. Neal Morse Question Mark
13. Yes Relayer
14. Rush A Farewell To Kings
15. The Yes Album
16. Genesis A Trick Of The Tail
17. King Crimson In The Court Of The Crimson King
18. Genesis Nursery Cryme
19. Gentle Giant Free Hand
20. Rush 2112
21. Gentle Giant Octopus
22. Kansas Leftoverture
23. Transatlantic Bridge Across Forever
24. Kansas Kansas
25. Todd Rundgren's Utopia 


I have 13 of those in my collection, Gentle Giant, KC, Yes and Genesis. I quite like them but it seems you value great musical ability most whereas unusual invention, strange sounds and atmosphere make more of an impression on me. Maybe being a non-musician has some effect although some of the parts in my selection still sound amazingly difficult.

Your list is (mostly) over my head - although I do love me some Amon Duul 2!!!
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Micky is right. I can see now I’m more interested in “the purely subjective view of how the music connects with you personally” and finding what I like for which the site has indeed been extremely helpful, so am going to drop out and leave the reviewing and rating to the experts. Most of the Tangerine Dream I’m listening to now isn’t prog anyway so it doesn’t really make any sense to review it.
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I used to make lists like this but rarely do now.  Just too many favorites out there and I don't have the patience to come up with 25 and them swap some out every day.
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it is about tastes man.. sure if this were a list of albums I'd consider great. You know.. what that list could have been and should have been of course VDGG and KC would rank highly. Not many can or do.. but to me is quite easy to separate my tastes from my objective view of albums.  I riffed on this notion once, it is all about the context of the album which is can be a fairly well done objective and factual evaluation of the album rather than the purely subjective view of how the music connects with you personally. Which is why we have such ouf of place contextually album in that top album on the site. They look out of place.. because they are if one views it a certain way. Albums can be viewed objectively. But it takes some functioning grey matter and quite a bit of overall and broad based knowledge of prog..and music in general. Other than the old 'I know what I like that dominates much of the reviews, discussions and the very members we have here in large part.

Part of why I wanted to remove ratings was the inconsistency of it. Some like myself.. rated albums based on a objective scale. Most throw 5 stars at an album they like and that is that.  No problem with that.. but it isn't exactly what the whole ratings system was intended to do..... or specifically worded to convey. Thus you go reviews like my infamous DT review that was voted the single greatest PA's review ever done.. god almighty did I stir up a sh*t storm. Went all the way to the admin team to decide whether to delete it but at least they were smart enough to see what I was doing... a poke in the eye at the system and its failings.

Objectively. Sure. That is what me and my guys were doing on another prog site before I got drafted to come work over here. Guess we were doing good work haha. But subjectively I may think the Wetton years among the most overrated and over ballyhood of all prog streaks.. perhaps only topped by Ian's Ego.. I mean 70's Jethro Dull.. and VDGG. Many love them.. but there are quite a few and I'm firmly with them that think they are the single best poster child for the very thing that ill'd prog more than anything.. prog for prog's sake.. where the notions of prog .. the trapping of it don't augment or complement creativity.. they serve as a substitute for it.

that said.. like the stubborn ass that I am.. I only did 20. .not 25..   there is a album from each I love enough to perhaps have put in a top 25. Discipline which IMO was far and AWAY the best and most progressive album they did.. and H to He which was the one album I think one can point to where VDGG actually hit the mark instead of missing it. I love that album.


Edited by micky - July 19 2019 at 19:44
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